DevonMoonshire

Something we could all do to further our cause.

https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petition...paign=shorturl

I do hope most of us sign this, with all the community interaction it should be easy to get 5000 signatures by the required date to have this forwarded to the big political decision makers.

berger

Ummm what do they mean by job creation?..expand IRS agents?..FDA accountants?...kinda brief on details there.....

DevonMoonshire

My Personal interpretation is that they could start having a lot more US Manufacturers make them vice everything except for our Beloved MODS being made in China. LOL I love my Mods though so even then I would probably not buy too many American Made Big Brand E-Cigs unless they could rival the Quality of my Provari and the Craftsmanship of things like the Buzz or the REO.


That is just my take on it though

Rocketman

My interpretation is e-cigs and juice will become a recognized Nicotine Replacement Therapy with Government controls for purity and quality.

How many of our U.S. suppliers would be allowed to produce an e-cig (except underground) or mix up e-juice for public consumption?

How many of you vendors out there think you would be allowed to market the "Patch"?
Walgreens, Walmart, CVS, would step in and control the market.

Is official recognition a good thing for small businesses?

A good thing for the average vaping consumer?

DevonMoonshire

They already lost the "Nicotine Replacement Battle" in the Supreme Court so that one is a dead issue.

As far as all the other stuff, Who knows, but I can say this much, It will be American made instead of lead lined slave labor camps in China. Even if it does end up costing a little bit more it will still be less expensive than smoking. And there is no way they can ever get rid of Modding. That just won't happen with as far as it has come thus far.

With as fast as the popularity of the E-Cig is growing it is Going to be in the Spotlight very soon anyways. There is no escaping it. I would rather have a voice on the direction it takes than to just let the big conglomerates get to the GOV first.

Very Good Points though, lets just hope that it goes in a better direction than the Doom And Gloom that everyone seems to think it will go in.

Nate aka Darth Vapor

RY4

I'm not sure DM... It is vague to me and I need more info. I don't think I want anyone trying to dip their hands into controlling/organizing the "ecig" business, especially the government. Rockets comments/questions are scary and hit home to the truth.

40bikes

I'm thinking of starting up an ecig plant if I can get the White House to push a half billion buck tax free loan for me.

Steampunk

And then fold in 6 months with 427M unaccounted for?

Rocketman

I know the Custom Mod makers will still be around. Producing a 100 units a month. But the Chinese factories produce about 10,000 per month (each factory). American fab shops could start producing them but the majority of e-cigs sold across the globe will be made in China. Even the "Korean" model was only drawn up in Korea. It's made in China.

I have a medallion commemorating "50 Years of American Space Flight" given to all NASA and Contractor employees. Care to guess where it was made?

Not everything is made in Asian slums. Some of the modern facilities are highly automated, and by using cheaper, non-union labor, will be cheaper than our U.S. manufacturer's will ever be. We build better warships and warplanes, marginally better cars , but the smaller items will come from overseas for a long time. Wish it wasn't so, but I think it is.

The U.S. is ahead of the rest of the world in making Googles, and Facebooks

We could make great stuff, we used to, but there is more money in buying and selling oil futures than manufacturing widgets. (anything that nets you capital gains instead of wages).

rothenbj

Need 5,000 signatures by Oct 27th to get White House attention!

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DevonMoonshire

I agree with all of this, and although it is very unfortunate that all the best ecig atty's and cartos are made in China, the bottom line is that we, the Americans have taken that stuff and improved upon it with things like the Provari, the Buzz Pro, the REO, they have taken what China made and made it work harder and better.

Our Government IS going to get their hands in this. Lets for just one second be honest with ourselves, We Know it is going to happen. It is just a matter of when and how. All we as a sub culture of sorts can hope for is that they don't dig too deep into our pockets.

I would personally love to see all of our equipment stay under the radar and never see any kind of additional taxes other than sales taxes that there is no way to avoid. But we all know that that is a pipe dream with the numbers of people switching over to these.

I really wish this was not the case, but since it is, I want to voice my Opinion to those who are going to have the deciding votes on it. If it creates US Jobs then hey that is just a bonus.

Nate aka Darth Vapor

Rocketman

I don't want to sound un-American but the few mods that are better than the generic Chinese e-cigs won't get the same marketing exposure that the cheap, poorly functioning ones will.
Small American brick and mortar businesses on our street corners, and gas stations will pick the lower cost, higher margin, I could care less how well it works, Chinese e-cig to put on their shelves. Specialty shops may sell the expensive, better performing brands (like camera stores vs the drug store for high end photo equipment).

The buy-American population (yes, you know who you are ) will talk the talk, but cop out and buy the foreign product when it comes down to dollars put on their charge card. GM, Ford,Chrysler Vs Toyota, or Intel vs AMD. (and yes I know some foreign brand cars are put together in the U.S.).

We talk American job creation. The e-cig industry has already created American jobs. Vendors selling Chinese e-cigs, and transportation engineers moving truckloads of e-cigs across the country .

When e-cigs do get the recognition they deserve (because they are better than smoking) the "extreme" High Voltage cloud producing e-cigs will probably be deemed unsafe. Products will probably require some type of electronic defeating circuit to prevent excessive (to the government) vapor production. Tek's 4 barrel mod will be illegal
Do you expect the politicians that we want to make aware of e-cig actually know anything about how these operate? We can't even get them to shut up about the "antifreeze" components in the juice.

Somehow I think a large manufacturing monster, like maybe GE, would be a better place to lobby for acceptance. Then let them wine and dine the politicians.

The great e-cigs mods will be available for a few connoisseurs, the knowledgeable, but for the masses, it's gonna be Chinese made clones for a long while.

Sorry for such a long, negative post, but I have little faith in Washington doing anything in MY favor in the foreseeable future. So, I'll do a much for myself as I can.

Rocky

dragit

DoNe =D

DevonMoonshire

Bro I really like the idea of someone like GE wining and dining the Political Nerf Herders, (Yes Star Wars Reference), because ten it would show them the positive aspects easier and line their pockets.

You are right, I think the Majority of Americans have completely lost all faith in the ability of our Government to do anything in Our best Interest. They are all Crooks and the few who actually care about the general public are buried by the ones that only care about themselves by propaganda and mudslinging.

I really do like the GE Idea
Nate aka Darth Vapor

wetwire

- Wallyworld has yet to put anything in their stores as of yet. Wanna speculate? I can think of a reason or three.. It is coming to a head no doubt. Like I said last week. Walgreens and HEB both, almost simultaneously added devices across North America. One day nadda and then BAMB! Now Walgreens has a new product. It is interesting, the different approach these two chains have taken. I can only guess as to the kinda raise the suits at Blu gave themselves. Bet ya see a custom Blu for Wallyworld when they start to carry. Some dealing going on over at WMs R&D and Marketing for a while now, I bet. I also, think they are waiting for something else to happen.. Legal wise with tobacco or importation maybe?

One thing that amazes me is that all these new products showing up in the big stores and the emps (including store managers) have no clue.

Unrelated sorta but dang.. talk about a massive amount of misinformation. I just met a dude that ordered $200 worth of stuff he had no idea really what he even bought(no surprise really) He said "got me some 60mg good juice and gonna hit it" I was like "uhhh maybe cut it first". Made him promise he would let me check it out before he wound up yakking his guts out. He has vaped the gas station type before but when I explained to him about the higher mg he was dumbfounded.. down right scary if ya ask me. Vendor responsibility? How is Walmart gonna handle that eh?

I'm choosing not to reply to "other" parts of your posting here and below. It is what it is, and the general populace can not stand up to the lobbyist and their handfuls of $. At least that's my view and I don't see being convinced otherwise.

Rocketman

Devon and WW,
these are only my opinions. The petition is a good idea so get involved, and get what little attention we can. Like I said earlier, I hate to sound un-American and negative
(it's not like there isn't enough of that floating around already )
but I plan on staying set up with a fairly big 'stash' of e-cig stuff, and I already know how to make my own mods , so I will vape until caught. Then start vaping in the woods.

wetwire

- Heh! I cant see you getting caught. I can, however, see you vaping in the woods.. LOL

*super quite forest, no birds chirping or squirrels skittering about in the early morning... but wait.. whats that noise... gurgle, gurgle, pop... looong exhale and ahhhh.. Then ATF comes running in... "FREEZE Sucka!! Drop that mod now!!" "You are under arre...." Nawww.. never happen R.

That's about how serious I am R. Someone has to speak the truth and if the truth bares a black aura and seems negative.. well its still the truth, right?

40bikes

I'm like Rocky on this Devon, think signing the petition is a good idea,despite the fact that I don't have a corporate slush fund to buy influence;just like the vote or opinion of an individual citizen will even get a hearing. I did sign it.
Getting GE to build our vaping supplies is pretty idealistic. 60 days after initiating a feasability study GE would be selling us e-cigs with 3 stickers on them:GE,This product approved by the U.S. FDA for use according to the manufacturers instructions and Made in China.

Rocketman

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DO NOT EAT

berger

I firmly believe the best thing government can do for vaping is ignore it...fortunately they are good at that...but, what they really are best at it is regulations and taxes...we are not under the radar as evidenced by that current bill....sigh

RY4

Ditto and sigh....

DevonMoonshire

Yes, we can all agree that the Government Staying Out of this entirely would be best. This is True.

Can we also Agree that this is an impossible thing to hope for as well? It is not going to Happen, the GOV Will Get Involved. We already Know they will. So why not voice our concerns with how they do? If we can guide it with popular opinion then we might actually have a beneficial impact on how they handle it.

Obviously no one trusts the Government as far as we can throw them, but if we don't try and do something then we have already given up and told them "Do whatever you want, we don't care"....... Well I Care.

RY4

I do see you point DM and it is a good one. But honestly, I don't believe they listen or care. In the end, they will do what they want that best suits their needs. IMO, our government has gotten too big for their britches and it so much worse than England back in the days of the Revolution.

CartHeadMod

you already have a public accustomed to paying 25 cents or more for a product that lasts them less than three minutes......do you offer them an expensive product that lasts a lifetime or a cheap product that lasts them a month.......

CountryCarolyn

Ok I am guilty of not reading this entire thread in its entirety!! (Man I am the biggest one that hates when people do that and then post, but here goes)

I understand Rockets point at least what I read of it! I understand Devon point once again what I read of it!!

Me my opinion I signed it. I am sorry but I will pay a buck more for american. Even cheap scape me wants a little regulation in this unknown world of vaping. So I signed it and if it gets our us dollars back on this side of the big pond then I say GO FOR IT!!!!!

The unknown scares me more than anything!! I might of made a mistake by signing it but dern it I made a bigger mistake when I thought it was cool to smoke!!