mrwizard

Thought I'd share my latest tobacco recipe with the DIY crowd.
It's a mellow blend with a light tobacco base and delicate confectionary notes without being overly sweet like some RY4 flavors, or perfumy like some tobaccos I've tried.

Here is the breakdown for a 10ml, 18mg, 60%-PG, 25%-VG, 15%-Flavoring recipe.

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6ml (60%) PG w/ nicotine (see below for using 48mg, 60mg, or 100mg base nicjuice)

2.5ml (25%) VG

0.3ml (3%) Seedman's Commercial tobacco concentrate

0.3ml (3%) Seedman's English tobacco concentrate

0.3ml (3%) TPA Caramel Candy

0.3ml (3%) TPA Toasted Marshmallow

0.3ml (3%) Vanillin Crystals (10% solution) available at One Stop DIY Shop

6 drops Tobacco Absolute solution (100:1 dilution in grain alcohol) adjust up or down for that tobacco harshness undertone.

2 drops FlavourArt MTS Wizard (optional, as the 25% VG already provides plenty of vapor and mellowness)

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To create the proper PG nicotine base for an 18mg final product use the following ratios:

If using 48mg unflavored nicjuice:
3.75ml (37.5% of total recipe) 48mg unflavored PG
2.25ml (22.5% of total recipe) plain PG

If using 60mg unflavored nicjuice:
3ml (30% of total recipe) 60mg unflavored PG
3ml (30% of total recipe) plain PG

If using 100mg unflavored nicjuice:
1.8ml (18% of total recipe) 100mg unflavored PG
4.2ml (42% of total recipe) plain PG

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I haven't let this one steep yet to see how the character changes, or made any deviations from the equal part flavorings, because I'm just loving it so much as is... damn close to an "all day vape" for me.
The English tobacco seems to dominate the base notes at these ratios, with the caramel and marshmallow adding delicate top notes as supporting characters.

This might make a nice starting point for an RY4-type tobacco recipe by adjusting the ratios more towards the caramel and marshmallow with the addition of a little Ethyl Maltol for sweetness.

If you try it, or tweak it to taste, I'd like to hear about your experience.

JohnnyJames

I'd don't like the TA at all. Is it that Bulgarian tobacco perfume stuff?

mrwizard

Yep, it's that thick, black extract from Bulgarian tobacco leaves.
It's extremely strong on it's own. A little bit goes a long way and can easily ruin a recipe.
The taste is primarily tobacco, with flower and spice notes (probably responsible for that perfume taste in some tobacco flavors).
Mixed with Pure Grain Alcohol it gives a nice (unless you don't like it) tobacco undertone and a little harshness/throat hit.

You could substitute straight PGA for the TA solution, or mix the TA solution at a different ratio... say 1 drop per 5ml instead of the 2 drops in 2ml that I use, in order to reduce the TA taste but keep the PGA effects.

I'll have to give it a try without the TA next to see exactly how much it influences the final taste.
I imagine it would let the confection flavors come through a little more since it would be reducing the overall tobacco flavoring.
Another variation would be to eliminate the Commecial tobacco enhancer and and the TA to see how the English tobacco holds up on it's own, but at that point we'd be moving away from a primarily "tobacco" recipe into something else.

Pit Vaper

Sounds like a nice recipe, I prefer tobacco vapes over anything else really.

Pit Vaper

Hey Wiz, I have the TA 50% PG blend. How would that work in this recipe?

And as for Ethyl Maltol, I have the 10% PG liquid solution.

I don't have any seedman's yet, but I'm curious none the less.

Steampunk

Hey! I came up with a juice that tasted JUST LIKE a cigarette! JUST LIKE IT!


YUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

wetwire

LOL... Come on.. really? I was just getting pumped.. I do still like a good tobacco... But I used to enjoy smoking a pipe also.. and NO not that kinda pipe

Rocketman

I used to smoke a pipe (went to cigars) and found that you could get a tobacco blend that tasted good OR smelled good to others around you.

wetwire

- Right.. I loved the flav of a bowl of Vanilla Cavendish.. My wife would knock me about looking like and "old fart" but never complained that I smelled like one..

Steampunk

Ya man. Tasted JUST LIKE a ciggie! Then after I stopped smoking ciggies for about 4 days...YUCK!!!

wetwire

Well I can say for sure I do know what ya mean. My wife will not drop the dang things, (albeit out of spite only I am certain) and gezz do they stink like crap! I find myself looking for that "good" tob taste like a good pipe or cigar

berger

try tuscan yet? reminds me of a cigar or pipe tobacco

Steampunk

VT Vapor. Tastes like tobacco, not like a ciggie!

mrwizard

LOL

I haven't found any juice that tastes just like a ciggie yet... thankfully.

No tobacco flavoring will ever taste like a burning cigarette... unless you go collecting from old ashtrays to make your own extract.

Pipe and cigar flavors seem to be a lot easier to replicate than plain old cigarettes for some reason.
Maybe because they have such strong characteristic notes.

wetwire

That a brand or flav?

berger

flavoring of tobacco type ...flavor arts maybe or flavor apprentice??

Pit Vaper

Mainly I'm looking for a good baccy recipe base to add my own flavors to, not just a plain ol' tabaccy to vape.

berger

I think I saw like 13 or so tobacco flavorings from flavor arts

Pit Vaper

Yes, I saw those, which I think would be good for changing a base tobacco flave to something different. That's what I'm hoping to eventually do.

I saw scubabatdan's recipe as well for a base, I think I'm just going to have to do a little more research and possibly add some seedmans to my arsenal and start experimenting.

berger

I think GPV's tobacco alc is based on that according to a note on the site??

wetwire

- Here, here on the seedmans.. keep thinking this is the wa to go

Pit Vaper

Well, I went ahead and ordered several small half oz. tester bottles of seedmans.

Top notes:
1.Commercial Cigarette
2.Honey

Enhancers:
1.Virginia Fire Cured
2.Mapletone

Two top notes and two enhancers, just to try out on some mini mixes. After some more reading I found that since the top notes are concentrates they mix very well with your batches. But the Enhancers are diluted with H20 so they will probably be best used for making a tobacco flavored AG dilutant.

Shipping could be a week to 10 days according to what I've read.

wetwire

Heya Pit. Did you ever get the Seedman's stuff in? Worth a try?

Rose

I see y'all stumbled upon an old thread., so I'm gonna join right in. It says that it is a "nice tabacco" thread, Well..... I'm vaping ferret/ bird cage at the moment! Dang! this is some good sheet!!!

Steampunk

Hey, Rose...

Um, never mind...