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07-22-2009, 01:48 PM
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#1 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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| FDA to come out with there stance on Electronic Cigarettes in about 20 Min!!! LETS ALL CROSS OUR FINGERS!!! | 
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07-22-2009, 02:26 PM
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#2 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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07-22-2009, 02:49 PM
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#3 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis
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| Hello everyone,
Probably the most concering line in that whole press release to me was "The agency is also planning additional activities to address its concerns about these products." What exactly does that mean? Additional testing, product safety controls, an outright ban? I cannot imagine them ever coming out and stating ecigs are MORE harmful than regular cigs, but it would be an interesting pickle for the FDA to be in. | |
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07-22-2009, 02:51 PM
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#4 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis
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| Saw a posting in the "other" e-cig forum that might be interesting to everyone.
"A replay of the briefing will be available one hour after the event ends until July 29, 2009. To hear the replay, callers in the United States and Canada can dial 800-731-6037. International callers can dial 203-369-3328." | |
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07-22-2009, 02:58 PM
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#5 | | convicted vaper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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| I'm not surprised.
They will keep warning and ban until they have regulamentations for e-cigs, and of course, after a big battle with the tobacco companies.
But, all kind of juices contains diethylene glycol? And how about nitrosamine? | |
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07-22-2009, 03:05 PM
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#6 | | Legendary Vaper Join Date: May 2009 Location: Treasure Coast
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| Sounds like typical FDA propaganda to me, but a little serious this time.
Time to stock up on your favorite goodies before it's too late.
P.S. I want to know which supplier adds diethylene glycol in their juice/carts. It is not approved for foodstuff but is used as a substitute for other applications in non foodstuff for propylene glycol.
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07-22-2009, 03:06 PM
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#7 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by tandera  I'm not surprised.
They will keep warning and ban until they have regulamentations for e-cigs, and of course, after a big battle with the tobacco companies.
But, all kind of juices contains diethylene glycol? And how about nitrosamine? | Ya I think that is b.s., DIETHYLENE GLYCOL wtf!?!?! give me a break, I did studies on the liquid in the cartridges and it didn't have any such sort of things...Looks like I might have to take the studies to Matt Salmon and nail this thing on the head! Im tired of the GOVERNMENT lying and being deceitful!!! | |
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07-22-2009, 03:14 PM
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#8 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis
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| So they only tested 18 cartridges and no standard e-fluid? I hope this is not what they consider a complete test. | |
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07-22-2009, 03:15 PM
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#9 | | convicted vaper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Originally Posted by Lazarus Sounds like typical FDA propaganda to me, but a little serious this time.
Time to stock up on your favorite goodies before it's too late.
P.S. I want to know which supplier adds diethylene glycol in their juice/carts. It is not approved for foodstuff but is used as a substitute for other applications in non foodstuff for propylene glycol. | Me too. | |
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07-22-2009, 03:20 PM
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#10 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis
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| So... they think only kids are being marketed because of the flavors? I forgot to throw out all my fruit, nuts, chocolate, candy, mints and gum when I turned 18. All these flavors appeal to adults as well. Seriously, what the heck? | |
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07-22-2009, 03:25 PM
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#11 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by drdave So... they think only kids are being marketed because of the flavors? I forgot to throw out all my fruit, nuts, chocolate, candy, mints and gum when I turned 18. All these flavors appeal to adults as well. Seriously, what the heck? | Not only that but what about flavored alcohol, Cherry vodka, Vanilla vodka, Chocolate vodka....etc!!! Give me a break! the FDA is trying to find every little thing they can to use against E-Cigs, but there running out of options! | |
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07-22-2009, 03:35 PM
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#12 | | convicted vaper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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Originally Posted by PUFFDADDY Not only that but what about flavored alcohol, Cherry vodka, Vanilla vodka, Chocolate vodka....etc!!! Give me a break! the FDA is trying to find every little thing they can to use against E-Cigs, but there running out of options! | Of course. There is ALOT of money involved. And on your country is not different than mine, MONEY TALKS. And i am not being paranoid. | |
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07-22-2009, 03:51 PM
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#13 | | convicted vaper Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Rio de Janeiro - Brazil
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| My best hope is even with a FDA ban, i can still buy e-cigs from china.
Whatever the say, i can import alot of forbidden stuff by brazilian-paraguay black market 
But they are kinda slow and there is no e-cigs available yet. It's too new for those old folks lol | |
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07-22-2009, 03:57 PM
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#14 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Health care professionals and consumers may report serious adverse events (side effects) or product quality problems with the use of e-cigarettes to the FDA's MedWatch Adverse Event Reporting program either online, by regular mail, fax or phone.
* Online: MedWatch: The FDA Safety Information and Adverse Event Reporting Program
* Regular Mail: use postage-paid FDA form 3500 available at: Download Forms and mail to MedWatch, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20852-9787
* Fax: (800) FDA-0178
* Phone: (800) FDA-1088
| How many people plan on contacting the FDA to mention their side effects? I'm going to let them know that I am feeling better, smelling better, more energetic, can breathe better, sleep more soundly, etc.
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07-22-2009, 04:02 PM
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#15 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis
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| Note to FDA, 36 here and I like flavors. 
Sorry for all the heavy posting, but this whole thing has given me a serious case of the red behind.
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07-22-2009, 04:45 PM
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#16 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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| The FDA downs a couple ingredients in E-Cigarettes but what about ALL the 3,000+ chemicals in regular cigarettes!?!?!?! HELLO, there missing the point, people found an alternative that is helping them and doesnt contain the 34587230485 chemicals like regular cigarettes!!! Nice try FDA!!!! And I also found this article that seemed of some interest to some...check it out and let me know what you think. FDA Running Extortion Racket: Natural Supplement Companies Threatened with Arrest if They Don’t Pay Up | |
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07-22-2009, 04:58 PM
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#17 | | Lets see the Test Results Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal
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| AND it said "detectable amounts". There are detectable amounts of nicotine in some foods - it's a poison in sufficient quantity. There are detectable amounts of flouride in toothpaste - it's a poison in sufficient quantity. You get the idea...
I wonder how many dozens or hundreds of tests they had to do to post the narrow results they did. You can make data say anything you want if you publish a "random" sample of it...
Tobacco and pharmacy industries are obviously guiding the pen hand of the FDA.
What a bunch of fracking morons... pisses me off
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07-22-2009, 05:12 PM
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#18 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis
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| Well,
I sincerely hope that since the FDA seems to be hellbound and determined to get into this, that they will use some common sense. They need to work with e-cig and e-liquid mfg. and find out where the offending materials are coming from. This is likely not the TRUE objection, (most likely greed), but trying like heck to give them benefit of doubt. If they propose an outright ban, E cigs will likely go the way of the switchblade knife. Companies will just sell the components unassembled in kit form, thereby skirting the regulations. This would be terrible for all of us, as it would cause people to buy from potentially underhanded and seedy sources. Assuming that FDA personel occasionally read postings on boards like this, please use common sense. | |
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07-22-2009, 05:15 PM
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#19 | | Lets see the Test Results Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by PUFFDADDY | If true,
Big Pharmacy Industry again... everything to gain by suppressing information. | |
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07-22-2009, 06:10 PM
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#21 | | Legendary Vaper Join Date: May 2009 Location: Treasure Coast
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07-22-2009, 07:03 PM
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#22 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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| HAHAHA !!! now here comes all the news releases of all the FDA LIES!!! just google FDA and electronic cigarette. The FDA is really trying to do all they can to make people not have these in there lives. What immature children! | |
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07-22-2009, 07:28 PM
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#24 | | Green Smoke Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by drdave Well,
I sincerely hope that since the FDA seems to be hellbound and determined to get into this, that they will use some common sense. They need to work with e-cig and e-liquid mfg. and find out where the offending materials are coming from. This is likely not the TRUE objection, (most likely greed), but trying like heck to give them benefit of doubt. If they propose an outright ban, E cigs will likely go the way of the switchblade knife. Companies will just sell the components unassembled in kit form, thereby skirting the regulations. This would be terrible for all of us, as it would cause people to buy from potentially underhanded and seedy sources. Assuming that FDA personel occasionally read postings on boards like this, please use common sense. | drdave, please cleanse yourself of any delusions as to the FDA "using" common sense ( I didn't say "having" because they probably do have it) and giving them the "benefit of the doubt" would be a major mistake because they have hidden agendas (not so hidden to those in the know). How can you, drdave, be of any use to the eCig movement if you are labouring under these delusions?
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07-22-2009, 08:37 PM
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#25 | | Lets see the Test Results Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal
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| Looks like TheRealZero beat me to the link I was going to post.
Basically, other nicotine replacement products have the same carcinogens in them as well. The FDA failed to mention this.
I find it "interesting" that they only tested carts from Smoking Everywhere and NJoy... Wonder what results would have been with stateside made liquid (Johnson Creek, Vermont Vapor, etc).
SOME had detectable amounts of nitrosamines in them, and ONE was found to have diethylene glycol (Smoking Everywhere 555 High). The level of DEG was signifigant, and needs to be looked into. The absolute levels were not disclosed - just "detectable".
Additionally, there is concern over the flavors that e-liquid is available in, but, at the same time, the FDA has just approved candy flavored nicotine lozenges.
I encourage everyone to read the article, it's an interesting read.
I think we need to start another "round" of writing to our government officials; let them know about the omissions of the FDA and the contrast of concern for immediate action in reference to PV's, but the continued acceptance of nicotine replacement products with carcinogens in them and the availability of "candy" like nicotine products already available for sale.
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