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10-12-2011, 12:12 AM
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#1 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| Hello all,
I wanted to share an experience that I had with everyone in the hope of helping others that might encounter the same thing.
I also wanted to thank everyone who helped point me in the right direction in my first post. THANK YOU!!!
On to the "experience"...
I have been mixing my own liquid for about a week and up till Sunday night 10-9-11 everything was going reasonably well. Sunday afternoon I started having a weird reaction to vaping, I know my body well and knew something was WRONG! I was having a very strange prickly feeling on my face that progressed to a "thousands of needles" kind of feeling that got worse with every draw I took. I was also very itchy all over which reminded me of the codeine allergy I have.
I immediately suspected PG sensitivity as I had read about it on another forum.
I was alarmed by this reaction, so bad in fact that I fell of the wagon and bought a pack of analogs. For the last two days I've been afraid to try vaping again. It took two days for that reaction to subside and I figured I'm stuck smoking analogs forever 
Tonight I decided to try again and experiment with my mix.
I mixed as high a % of VG as possible at the moment, 80% VG/ 20% PG no flavor to see if it might eliminate the problem, I didn't even get thru the first ml before the strange reaction reared it's ugly head, every drag made it worse!
I started thinking that maybe it wasn't the PG I was reacting to and mixed up 100% PG liquid w/nic no flavor and hesitantly vaped 1ml and NO REACTION!!!
The itchiness is subsiding and needles in my face feeling is much less than it was earlier so I'm thinking it was the VG, I finished that ml and mixed up another, this time with flavor and still no reaction.
I was really depressed for the last two days for relapsing, I have been trying to quit smoking for the last few years and nothing seemed to work for me till I tried vaping. I can't stand the thought of having to ever go back to smoking again and hope this may be of some use to anyone else encountering the same problem. I apparently have a sensitivity to VG and a horribly bad one at that!
This almost scared me away from vaping but I'm glad I took the time to isolate the cause and suffer thru another reaction because it's definitely worth it to kick the analogs!!!
Has anybody else here had a reaction like that to VG? Is it possible that it's just the brand I was using (CVS USP GRADE 99.5%)?
Honestly scared the crap outta me!
Regards
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10-12-2011, 12:16 AM
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#2 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| Did the bottle say it was for rubbing on baby butts?
(got it in the skin Protection isle)?
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10-12-2011, 12:22 AM
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#3 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| Ok Cvs?? Who is that?? Sorry I suck at abbreviations.
Rocket I am sure is typing up something as we speak about vegetable glycerin and glycerin as we speak. If he isn't by chance then I would so encourage you to look in the forum about vegetable glycerin. HUGE topic on this forum a bit ago. It is extremely important to know who you are getting your vg from.
Though to answer your other question I have never had a sensitivity to vg but to pg yes. I have heard others talk about their vg. Well later to find out what they were using was actually glycerin and not vg. Oh me where in the world is rocket!!
Before I give bad info let me try and find the links for you. Believe me there is a ton of info out there just locating sometimes is a pain!! | |
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10-12-2011, 12:23 AM
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#4 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| It was in the makeup isle, and says "Do not use on children under 6 months of age unless directed by a doctor" in the directions.. | |
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10-12-2011, 12:25 AM
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#5 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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Originally Posted by CountryCarolyn  Ok Cvs?? Who is that?? Sorry I suck at abbreviations.
Rocket I am sure is typing up something as we speak about vegetable glycerin and glycerin as we speak. If he isn't by chance then I would so encourage you to look in the forum about vegetable glycerin. HUGE topic on this forum a bit ago. It is extremely important to know who you are getting your vg from.
Though to answer your other question I have never had a sensitivity to vg but to pg yes. I have heard others talk about their vg. Well later to find out what they were using was actually glycerin and not vg. Oh me where in the world is rocket!!
Before I give bad info let me try and find the links for you. Believe me there is a ton of info out there just locating sometimes is a pain!! | CVS is a pharmacy here, no idea what it stands for though... | |
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10-12-2011, 12:28 AM
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#6 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| The bottle only says "pure glycerin" and active ingredient is glycerin 99.5 % anhydrous.. | |
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10-12-2011, 12:30 AM
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#7 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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Originally Posted by Luvnthevapes It was in the makeup isle, and says "Do not use on children under 6 months of age unless directed by a doctor" in the directions.. | Save the rest of it in case you get a butt rash.
The experts say that Glycerin is Glycerin and 99.5% pure USP is fine.
The Skin protectant Glycerin made me sick to my stomach. But it was probably just my imagination because the molecule that makes up drug store (or wally world) glycerin is exactly the same as the Glycerin they call
"Vegetable Glycerin".
Now foods has some I like, as do many of our vendor/members here.
You may be able to find a 2 oz bottle of Wiltons in the cake decorating section of Walmart or Hobby Lobby.
I suggest another test with 50/50 and another Vegetable Glycerin (just a small quantity) to be sure.
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A good e-juice, fresh carto, and 3.7 volts from a REALLY REALLY BIG battery works for me. YMMV
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...Quasi was right...Once
...OK, Twice...Maybe
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10-12-2011, 12:35 AM
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#8 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| Wife is experiencing no reaction but if I'm stupid and got the wrong stuff I need to know so I can dump the stuff I mixed already and keep her from using anymore of it...
I had no reaction to the pre-filled cigarti cartos... | |
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10-12-2011, 12:42 AM
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#9 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| I have NO IDEA if it's OK to vape or not.
Many people (on this and the BIG forum) swear by it, and technically there is no chemical difference. But to me, Yuk.
I don't know if my wife would have the same reaction I did, uh-cause I didn't let her try it.
Try something different, to confirm your sensitivity to Glycerin.
I have 174ml of the 3 year old 177ml bottle left.
Oh, and I would probably stay away from Tiramisu flavored juice if I were you 
(I've been harping about Vegetable based Glycerin for a couple of years, people are going to think I paid you to post that )
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A good e-juice, fresh carto, and 3.7 volts from a REALLY REALLY BIG battery works for me. YMMV
Originally Posted by Rocketman
...Quasi was right...Once
...OK, Twice...Maybe
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10-12-2011, 12:43 AM
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#10 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| Thank you Rocket! I feel a bit better bout wifey using it now. I really did try to be careful what I got, I want to quit smoking not breathing!
I'll think about trying it again but even if I simply can't use any VG for myself the PG delivers the nic and I'm hoping I won't developed a sensitivity to it too cause I just HAVE to quit smoking!!! | |
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10-12-2011, 12:48 AM
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#11 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| I have read about your aversion to Tiramisu it sure don't sound very good
I honestly don't care if I can't use flavors, I just don't want to smoke analogs anymore and hope this will make that dream a reality! | |
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10-12-2011, 12:50 AM
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#12 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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| Sorry to hear that Luvnthevapes. I haven't started mixing my own juices yet so sorry to say I can't be of much help to you with ingredients. I have heard of PG reactions but not any so far with VG. Hope you find out or isolate the ingredient that is causing issues for you. | |
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10-12-2011, 12:53 AM
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#13 | | Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Iz in ur megabites, stealin ur avatars
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| Luvn, PM me your address and I will send you a sample of Vegetable-derived USP Kosher glycerin for the food industry to try.
If you get a reaction to that, then it wasn't a problem with the grade or production process, but a biological reaction to the actual glycerin molecule itself.
My wife is half Korean and has eaten soy beans her whole life as a staple.
Within the last few years she's been getting violently and debilitatingly ill after eating, and through months of very painful trials we've been able to isolate it to the mature form of soy only.
As rare as soy intolerance is in adults, glycerin allergy is even more rare.
I don't know if you are female or male, but if female, you probably encounter glycerin in almost all of your lotions and cosmetics, as well as processed food products so it should have shown up long before vaping.
Of course, our body chemistry can change over time, as in the case of my wife, so it's possible that you may not be producing enough of a particular enzyme anymore, or a thousand other things that could result in a sudden change.
My (unprofessional and unmedical) advise is to see an allergist and have him test you for glycerin.
Good luck, and send me your mailing addy.
*EDIT* Just saw the recent post about wife. Ignore the male/female comments above. | |
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10-12-2011, 12:58 AM
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#14 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| I'll look into the ones you suggested, will be the last time I try it though cause I no likey the acupuncture!
Thank you! Its late here and didn't think I'd get any answers tonight!
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10-12-2011, 12:58 AM
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#15 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| While he reads your post, and offer;
Soy allergies, almost unheard of 20 years ago seem to be more common now.
I wonder if the food industry has changed some basic processing technique.
It's in almost everything now. We get the Vegie burgers (mostly Soy) and none of us around here have a issue. But, you read more and more about it.
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10-12-2011, 01:09 AM
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#16 | | Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Iz in ur megabites, stealin ur avatars
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| Rocket, I can almost guarantee you it has to do with the genetically modified version of soy.
Montesanto is the maker of Round-up weed killer, and is also the maker of the patented, genetically modified soy bean that can withstand Round-up.
At this point in farming history, there are almost zero crops that are not planted with Montesanto seeds.
Even an Organic farmer who wishes to plant non-GMO soy, is getting his crop infected with GMO pollen from counties away, and Montesanto is testing and suing every farm for patent infringement, then forcing them to either buy their product or forcing them into bankruptcy through legal bills.
It goes way deeper and way scarier than the average American suspects.
If you want to take a peek into the ugly side of our food supply, check out the award wining documentary, Food Inc. http://www.foodincmovie.com/
It will make you want to eat nothing that hasn't been grown in your own garden.
Ignorance truly is bliss. 
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10-12-2011, 01:10 AM
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#17 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| PM sent thanks Wizard! | |
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10-12-2011, 01:11 AM
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#18 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| Issue and solution, in under an hour.
That's VAPEATRON for ya
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A good e-juice, fresh carto, and 3.7 volts from a REALLY REALLY BIG battery works for me. YMMV
Originally Posted by Rocketman
...Quasi was right...Once
...OK, Twice...Maybe
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10-12-2011, 01:13 AM
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#19 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| I have been aware of the gm foods for years now and personally hope Soros rots in H*ll for all he does!
I'm a nice guy though really! | |
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10-12-2011, 01:16 AM
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#20 | | Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Kansas
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| Thanks guys/gals!
Better get to bed now cause I'm the driver, stay at home dad, cook, maid, automated diaper changer... Etc... I still don't do windows and dusting costs xtra!  | |
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10-12-2011, 04:43 AM
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#21 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| Sorry I didn't find the links, isp sucks the last few days and I managed to post that then boom lost conection. Rocket and wiz are here so you are in good hands.
Mr wizard, Gmo bites to sum it up. I am a seed saver major. Only heirloom and non hybrid in my gardens. I even isolate and hand pollinate. So I understand how truly scary that montestano word is. I want get started on my rant, but if anyone would be interested in seeds just contact me. I am still waiting for my stevia to bolt and crossing my fingers it will before frost. | |
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10-12-2011, 06:49 AM
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#22 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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| Wow...interesting to hear about a possible VG issue though..really wouldn't have thought of it before
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10-12-2011, 07:52 AM
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#23 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Originally Posted by Luvnthevapes The bottle only says "pure glycerin" and active ingredient is glycerin 99.5 % anhydrous.. | Glad your here on the forum. When in doubt, throw it out. Just cause they say it on the bottle doesn't mean that there wasn't a bad tanker truck that wasn't part of the random sampling. The "get government of our backs" corporate profit people have been quite successful at dismantling regular testing of all food and drugs. After 5 months of trying/buying everything in sight, and breaking even cost wise with analogs, I now owe the government/cigarette companies money. Analog cost was $65 per week. Vaping cost estimate is about $7. If your battery/cart/carto quest has been resolved, then just toss anything that doesn't make you happy. At 2 cartos a week, I stopped trying to clean them too. BTW, 1 pint of vg from VaporRenu cost me $15. Lot of juice.
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Reason: The minute I start thinking government, I get confused
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10-12-2011, 08:33 AM
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#24 | | Modder Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: rhode island usa
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| Well i find when i vape 100 vg i get head akes, and when i vape 100 pg i get itchy thought and phlem, at 5050 or around them marks, i am ok, and have no noticable side effects..
And the odd thing is i am about to run to CVS down the road to get some pull ups for my son..
google search
CVS is a drug store and the acronym, at one point stood for "Consumer Value Store". Now the acronym is said to stand for "Convenience, Value and Service" according to the CVS corporation. Look here for more information | |
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10-12-2011, 12:05 PM
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#25 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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Originally Posted by creote46 Glad your here on the forum. When in doubt, throw it out. Just cause they say it on the bottle doesn't mean that there wasn't a bad tanker truck that wasn't part of the random sampling. The "get government of our backs" corporate profit people have been quite successful at dismantling regular testing of all food and drugs. After 5 months of trying/buying everything in sight, and breaking even cost wise with analogs, I now owe the government/cigarette companies money. Analog cost was $65 per week. Vaping cost estimate is about $7. If your battery/cart/carto quest has been resolved, then just toss anything that doesn't make you happy. At 2 cartos a week, I stopped trying to clean them too. BTW, 1 pint of vg from VaporRenu cost me $15. Lot of juice. | Lookie there, you made a rhyme... your a poet and didn't know it... hehehehe Yea, I got tired of the cleaning route, especially since they lost taste and performance. With everything else to do and stress over, decided to stop cleaning. Still cheaper than smoking. | |
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