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04-25-2011, 03:00 PM
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#2 | | Maverick Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MICHIGAN
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| Good news and bad?
For insurance purpose, vaping devices will be included in the tobacco user category. They'll also be banned automatically from use, wherever analogs are banned and you are now considered the same as any analog smoker? Wonder if this was the intent all along. I'm just a little mixed on this one.
Any thoughts?
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04-25-2011, 03:32 PM
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#3 | | Resident Go-Pimp Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hacienda Heights, CA
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| I'm with you gmav44, too much uncertainty in what this means. I was never really concerned about a ban, as I can still get Cuban cigars just as easily as "domestic". Now that PVs are officially recognized by "them" I would expect official controls, i.e., licensing, registration, regulatory approval, to begin to erode the level of options we enjoy today.
Consistency is, or can be, a good thing. Problem with federal regulation is that consistency usually results in catering to the lowest common denominator.
eh, much remains to be seen.
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04-25-2011, 03:33 PM
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#4 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by gmav44  Good news and bad?
For insurance purpose, vaping devices will be included in the tobacco user category. They'll also be banned automatically from use, wherever analogs are banned and you are now considered the same as any analog smoker? Wonder if this was the intent all along. I'm just a little mixed on this one.
Any thoughts? | I believe it should still be under the discretion of business owners and such. The key point though here is that PVs are not facing down the barrel of extreme legislative regulations. I don't vape where I am not allowed to, and I ask before I decide to do so. Bars, stores, and other businesses deserve the right to know what I want to do in their establishment. It's a lot like with the firearm restrictions here in AZ. I cannot carry my firearm into businesses that restrict it's possession. That's fine with me. Most of those places, I simply do not visit. Those that I need to, I leave it in the car. The nice thing about PVs in that perspective is that I can still carry it, but not use it indoors. Still, not a problem to me. I'm not going to assert special permissions because it's harmless to others if the business doesn't want it in use. They maintain the right to refuse service, especially if I break their rules.
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04-25-2011, 03:35 PM
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#5 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by wooky I'm with you gmav44, too much uncertainty in what this means. I was never really concerned about a ban, as I can still get Cuban cigars just as easily as "domestic". Now that PVs are officially recognized by "them" I would expect official controls, i.e., licensing, registration, regulatory approval, to begin to erode the level of options we enjoy today.
Consistency is, or can be, a good thing. Problem with federal regulation is that consistency usually results in catering to the lowest common denominator.
eh, much remains to be seen. | Truth be told, those upcoming licensing, registrations, and regulations were on the horizon ever since PVs first came into the States. This, I believe, would include softer regulations and legislation than a "drug-delivery device".
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04-25-2011, 03:37 PM
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#6 | | Maverick Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MICHIGAN
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Originally Posted by wooky I'm with you gmav44, too much uncertainty in what this means. I was never really concerned about a ban, as I can still get Cuban cigars just as easily as "domestic". Now that PVs are officially recognized by "them" I would expect official controls, i.e., licensing, registration, regulatory approval, to begin to erode the level of options we enjoy today.
Consistency is, or can be, a good thing. Problem with federal regulation is that consistency usually results in catering to the lowest common denominator.
eh, much remains to be seen. | Well spoken Wooky.
It's rumored (cannot confirm, so please folks, don't cry foul) the tobacco industry already has their vape devices on the drawing board and ready to go. I hope it's false while we continue with our current vendors of choice...and those who pioneered this analog alternative.
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04-25-2011, 03:37 PM
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#7 | | Resident Go-Pimp Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hacienda Heights, CA
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| I agree procedurally Dhileas. I roll much as you described. It's not up to me to subject anyone to my habits.
My bigger concern would be with the quality and availability of devices and supplies.
Just saw your follow up D, and certainly can't argue with it. No doubt that any activity that gains popularity will get the stink eye in due time.
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04-25-2011, 03:43 PM
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#8 | | Maverick Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MICHIGAN
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Originally Posted by Dhileas Truth be told, those upcoming licensing, registrations, and regulations were on the horizon ever since PVs first came into the States. This, I believe, would include softer regulations and legislation than a "drug-delivery device". | Concur on both counts. This could be a fun thread and perhaps some things tossed around. Thanks for posting Dhileas. | |
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04-25-2011, 03:43 PM
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#9 | | Resident Go-Pimp Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Hacienda Heights, CA
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Originally Posted by gmav44 Well spoken Wooky.
It's rumored (cannot confirm so please folks, don't cry foul) the tobacco industry already has their vape devices on the drawing board and ready to go. I hope it's false while we continue with our current vendors of choice...and those who pioneered this analog alternative. | Truth is, now that I stop to think, if BT does have device designs...it could be a great thing for the populace. I know many that NEVER would have tried an ecig if I had not offered. Many still won't because they just aren't going to bother with the investment and learning curve, even with coaching.
Now if the local Qwik-E-Mart had several FDA approved devices at the checkout and it got more people to maybe catch on and drop the leaf burning...that is great. The question remains, could this happen while leaving the rest of us alone?
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04-25-2011, 03:49 PM
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#10 | | Maverick Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MICHIGAN
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| How many folks would be willing to wager that PM representatives have already contracted with our friends across the Pacific?
I don't think supplies would drop at all, but this vaping is taking a big chunk out of certain entities. I'd almost bet ya the deals have been done. | |
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04-25-2011, 04:15 PM
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| To me what this really says is - now we can tax this like tobacco because it "is" according to legal precedent definitions...I imagine our friendly suppliers shall be receiving notices real soon to that effect...and foreign shipments will be seized under tax code regulations and or worse yet restricted under postal guidelines...Once into the system I see this getting to be restricted and or taxed in ways we haven't begun yet to imagine...Our government is expert at doing that....Personally, I liked it better as the black market...
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04-25-2011, 06:09 PM
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#12 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by berger To me what this really says is - now we can tax this like tobacco because it "is" according to legal precedent definitions...I imagine our friendly suppliers shall be receiving notices real soon to that effect...and foreign shipments will be seized under tax code regulations and or worse yet restricted under postal guidelines...Once into the system I see this getting to be restricted and or taxed in ways we haven't begun yet to imagine...Our government is expert at doing that....Personally, I liked it better as the black market... | Many legal potheads would strongly agree with you. Once the government gets it's grubby hands on everything you like (and they will eventually), it quickly becomes something you lose interest in. Then, they wonder why they aren't turning a huge profit from it... shit, I wonder why...
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04-25-2011, 06:13 PM
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#13 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Dhileas | I don't see this as good. This will put a LOT of people (some of whom are here) OUT of business, will eliminate some of the flavors people like as being "aimed at kids", and allow the gov't to TAX THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS OUT OF IT!!!
While it's good it will bring some changes, such as getting carts and juice that won't kill you, and handing the industry to the tobacco companies will bring in a heavy amount of Quality Control...
THey finally realized it is yet another way to get their hands in your pockets.
I'm buying about a million CE2s tomorrow...
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04-25-2011, 06:21 PM
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#14 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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| Perhaps the community needs to appeal to the government that we can self-regulate. Hell, the Property Management companies self-regulate, why do we have to be under the microscope?! Oh yeah... money and power... I forgot how the government works. /sigh
I want to move to Canada. Or wait... I'm close enough to Mexico... I'll just learn Spanish and live where I don't have to deal with the US government so much. Pigs, the lot of them.
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04-25-2011, 06:24 PM
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#15 | | VaporSaurusRex Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: San Diego, CA
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| You can bet that I too will be stocking up on a lot of things here in the very near future. I know it is a big step for us that it will not be a "Drug Delivery Device" because if it were it would put a lot of people out of business really fast. I think though that as long as they are a reputable company most suppliers will survive this transition.
Just my Humble Opinion and at least they are not being Banned.
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04-25-2011, 06:25 PM
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#16 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Dhileas Perhaps the community needs to appeal to the government that we can self-regulate. | BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Not today, not with this Nanny State, and certainly NOT this far in the hole!!!
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04-25-2011, 06:26 PM
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#17 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by Steampunk BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! Not today, not with this Nanny State, and certainly NOT this far in the hole!!! | Fuck it, I'll get into DIY. Sorry Halo, your Torque will lose its pull at $40 per 30ml.
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04-25-2011, 06:27 PM
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#18 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by DevonMoonshire You can bet that I too will be stocking up on a lot of things here in the very near future. I know it is a big step for us that it will not be a "Drug Delivery Device" because if it were it would put a lot of people out of business really fast. I think though that as long as they are a reputable company most suppliers will survive this transition.
Just my Humble Opinion and at least they are not being Banned. | That silver lining has a brown streak in it.
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04-25-2011, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Dhileas Fuck it, I'll get into DIY. Sorry Halo, your Torque will lose its pull at $40 per 30ml. | If I can figure out how to make a decent atomizer I'll be all set.
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04-25-2011, 06:29 PM
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#20 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by Steampunk If I can figure out how to make a decent atomizer I'll be all set. | Wait... can they regulate PVs with tobacco taxes!? I just thought about zero-nicotine juices. How can they justify taxing products for containing a chemical that they don't actually contain!?
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04-25-2011, 06:33 PM
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#21 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Dhileas Wait... can they regulate PVs with tobacco taxes!? I just thought about zero-nicotine juices. How can they justify taxing products for containing a chemical that they don't actually contain!? | Once they get their claws in it, they can do whatever they want. Remember, it can be a nicotine delivery system, and as such, blanket regulation will occur.
I am not supposed to have a hypodermic because of Mass's laws! Makes filling a CE2 a real bit
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04-25-2011, 06:37 PM
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#22 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by Steampunk Once they get their claws in it, they can do whatever they want. Remember, it can be a nicotine delivery system, and as such, blanket regulation will occur.
I am not supposed to have a hypodermic because of Mass's laws! Makes filling a CE2 a real bit | Can't you buy them from feed stores!? Besides, you can always order blunt-tips. I won't use a sharp-tip syringe. I hate needles!
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04-25-2011, 06:44 PM
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#23 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Dhileas Can't you buy them from feed stores!? Besides, you can always order blunt-tips. I won't use a sharp-tip syringe. I hate needles! | Are you kidding?!?! You know those Monoject things with the curved plastic tips the dentist would give you for cleaning between your teeth, or clearing out a root canal before it was capped? They can't give them out any more, and you can't buy one in the drugstore any more without a prescription!!!!
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04-25-2011, 07:02 PM
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#24 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by Steampunk Are you kidding?!?! You know those Monoject things with the curved plastic tips the dentist would give you for cleaning between your teeth, or clearing out a root canal before it was capped? They can't give them out any more, and you can't buy one in the drugstore any more without a prescription!!!! | That's bizarre! Is heroin that common in Mass!?
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04-25-2011, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dhileas That's bizarre! Is heroin that common in Mass!? | Well, it IS Massachusetts. Makes perfect sense.
D, go look at TotallyWicked site. They carry THE Halo flavors without the nicotine. Not something like Halo flavor, it's truly the real deal.
Tobacco Americano = Torque 56
M/Borough = Freedom
Kamel =Smooth 8
mix at about 10%... perfect
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