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04-26-2011, 10:59 AM
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#76 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by berger  Its still going to be hard to tax this stuff...mods can be built form standard materials so the work around is obvious on that...flavorings are the same deal...VG and PG have few other million uses....Nicotine, thats the way they would have to go after it...IMHO | Speaking of that, whatever happened to those poor heatsinks?
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04-26-2011, 11:37 AM
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#77 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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| couldn't oxidize the copper enough to make it stop conducting....I still got another idea for them but haven't gotten round to trying it out yet...heres a hint...think butane
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04-26-2011, 12:25 PM
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#78 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by berger couldn't oxidize the copper enough to make it stop conducting....I still got another idea for them but haven't gotten round to trying it out yet...heres a hint...think butane | I already have...a long time ago...
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04-26-2011, 10:56 PM
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#79 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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| I've been noticing a lot of people moving straight into dismay. Folks, we are where we are now in terms of the Vaping Community because we fought, collectively, to dispute the claims from the FDA of personal vaporizers being classified as "drug delivery devices". This new classification is softer, and allows for better wiggle room in legislation. It doesn't mean we are stopping here and allowing the FDA to make the entire device officially and permanently classed as a "tobacco product". We aren't done fighting, but we do have a little breathing room right now. I'd say enjoy the breathing room we have while we have it. Soon, we're going to build up a great big "hold the fucking phone" storm and we're going to tell the government, as THE PEOPLE, that their classification is STILL incorrect and why. So, don't be so downtrodden. Are work isn't over yet. 
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04-27-2011, 11:01 AM
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#80 | | I like it hot and wet! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tonganoxie, KS
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| Anything I can do that is more productive than bitching about it on forums, let me know. I've already written my congressmen and senators about it. Unfortunately, we are a deep red state here, which means our "representatives" are deeply in the pockets of big business and big pharma, and I don't think that they have any interest in representing their constituents views.
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04-27-2011, 01:18 PM
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#81 | | Maverick Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MICHIGAN
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Originally Posted by Dhileas I've been noticing a lot of people moving straight into dismay. Folks, we are where we are now in terms of the Vaping Community because we fought, collectively, to dispute the claims from the FDA of personal vaporizers being classified as "drug delivery devices". This new classification is softer, and allows for better wiggle room in legislation. It doesn't mean we are stopping here and allowing the FDA to make the entire device officially and permanently classed as a "tobacco product". We aren't done fighting, but we do have a little breathing room right now. I'd say enjoy the breathing room we have while we have it. Soon, we're going to build up a great big "hold the fucking phone" storm and we're going to tell the government, as THE PEOPLE, that their classification is STILL incorrect and why. So, don't be so downtrodden. Are work isn't over yet. | Perhaps we can provide some examples where the populace came out on top in regard to any like minded legislation? Not speaking of the little skirmishes resulting in appeasing the masses for a short while, rather speaking of long term victory in ANYthing remotely resembling leaving us alone in peace.
The journey may well have entailed winning a few short skirmishes, but as for the long haul and what they wish to accomplish, I cannot think of one instance whereby the populace can claim anything more than one step forward and two steps back......right up until game over and give us your money.
Once this was declared a tobacco product....all the usual suspects will be at the trough and the steamroller will arrive for the inevitable lose, lose for us. Put bluntly? It is this vapor persons opinion it mattered little how they ruled on the issue. History has proven the sheeple will be sheared in the long run, and eventually.
About those examples to the contrary?
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04-27-2011, 01:31 PM
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#82 | | I like it hot and wet! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tonganoxie, KS
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| In the US particularly, we seem to just shrug as they trample on our rights, and saddle us with more and more regulations, and transition from being a government of the people, by the people, for the people to being a government of rich lawyers, by the wealthy corporations, for the multimillionaire (White, Christian) elite. Maybe we need to look to the middle east, to Egypt, Libya, Algeria, Bahrain, for how people should react to their government ignoring them and becoming more and more corrupt.
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04-27-2011, 04:09 PM
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#83 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by HiRezL Anything I can do that is more productive than bitching about it on forums, let me know. I've already written my congressmen and senators about it. Unfortunately, we are a deep red state here, which means our "representatives" are deeply in the pockets of big business and big pharma, and I don't think that they have any interest in representing their constituents views. | Rez, you're kidding, right? I think you have Big Pharma backwards. Obama's boondoggle was the biggest boost to drug co stocks since penicillin...
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04-28-2011, 08:28 PM
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#84 | | I like it hot and wet! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tonganoxie, KS
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| No, I'm serious. I think you need to check your facts.
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04-28-2011, 08:43 PM
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#85 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by HiRezL No, I'm serious. I think you need to check your facts. | It's not all Bush's fault anymore.
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04-28-2011, 08:55 PM
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#86 | | Maverick Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MICHIGAN
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Originally Posted by Steampunk It's not all Bush's fault anymore. | Good Old Charley can wrap this up......... 545 vs 300,000,000 People
As for the OP....D makes a good point for striving to get people's attention and standing up as much as we can. The vaping community should be commended for doing so, and perhaps we should take his advice and enjoy the window that opened for the time being. I plan on it.
All I'm trying to say is the little victories are soon wiped out by those who want the money and set "the rules".
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#87 | | I like it hot and wet! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Tonganoxie, KS
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| Isn't that the Truth? Forget partisan BS, no matter if they are red or blue, they are screwing me and you.
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04-29-2011, 02:26 PM
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#88 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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| All of our politicians are the best that money can buy.....
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#89 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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| I think they ought to limit the amount of money someone can spend on ANY election. Kind of like Indy Car racing: you have ONE choice of engine: Honda. Make the best of it, but you're also somewhat limited to what you can do with it. Levels the playing field. Should do the same with politicians. In IRL, the merit of the driver comes through; let the merit of the Pols come through.
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04-29-2011, 05:23 PM
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#90 | | Maverick Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: MICHIGAN
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Originally Posted by Steampunk I think they ought to limit the amount of money someone can spend on ANY election. Kind of like Indy Car racing: you have ONE choice of engine: Honda. Make the best of it, but you're also somewhat limited to what you can do with it. Levels the playing field. Should do the same with politicians. In IRL, the merit of the driver comes through; let the merit of the Pols come through. | I agree, and here's Davy Crockett's reply; back when we had people who took the public's interest in hand. Notice the eloquent speech and vocabulary. Ever really listened to these modern politicians talk? Been more impressed with some old bar conversations....back in the day.
Best over morning cup of coffee..... Davy Crockett Advises the Candidates:
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04-29-2011, 07:39 PM
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#91 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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Originally Posted by Steampunk I think they ought to limit the amount of money someone can spend on ANY election. Kind of like Indy Car racing: you have ONE choice of engine: Honda. Make the best of it, but you're also somewhat limited to what you can do with it. Levels the playing field. Should do the same with politicians. In IRL, the merit of the driver comes through; let the merit of the Pols come through. | Not a bad idea...but lets go one step further...limit the total amount of money available to both parties...then if they spend more on one office theres less for the other offices...that would really even the playing field
kinda like a total personnel height limit on a basketball court at any one time
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04-29-2011, 08:33 PM
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#92 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by berger Not a bad idea...but lets go one step further...limit the total amount of money available to both parties...then if they spend more on one office theres less for the other offices...that would really even the playing field
kinda like a total personnel height limit on a basketball court at any one time | And also the length of time. It used to be 7-8 months, then a year, now a year and a half!
The President, of course, gets to use the Bully Pulpit to do his campaigning, and WE foot the bill for it!
Of course, it's been an advantage for so long now it's hard to take it away.
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