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Old 12-01-2011, 04:56 PM   #1
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It's good to finally see some media that makes sense.
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I know this is from the other forum, but it concerns all of us, FDA is close to making it's move

FDA may soon propose regulation that could ban many/most e-cigarette products, eliminate many/most companies



It appears that the FDA may soon (perhaps in the next several weeks or months) follow through with the agency's April 25 stated intent (in red below) to propose a regulation that would apply Chapter IX of the FSPTCA to e-cigarette products (that contain nicotine) and other currently unregulated tobacco products, including: small cigars, large cigars, pipe tobacco, hookah/shisha tobacco, dissolvable tobacco/nicotine products (that aren't smokeless tobacco products), nicotine water, tobacco/nicotine skin cream and patches, non electronic nicotine inhalers, tobacco/nicotine nasal sprays, etc.


April 25, 2011

Regulation of E-Cigarettes and Other Tobacco Products

The Agency intends to propose a regulation that would extend the Agency’s “tobacco product” authorities in Chapter IX of the FD&C Act, which currently only apply to certain specifically enumerated “tobacco products,” to other categories of tobacco products that meet the statutory definition of “tobacco product” in Section 201(rr) of the Act. The additional tobacco product categories would be subject to general controls, such as registration, product listing, ingredient listing, good manufacturing practice requirements, user fees for certain products, and the adulteration and misbranding provisions, as well as to the premarket review requirements for “new tobacco products” and “modified risk tobacco products.” June 16, 2011

Sens. Merkley, Brown and 10 other Democrats pressure FDA to reverse ruling that Star's Ariva BDL and Stonewall BDL aren't smokeless tobacco products (as defined by FSPTCA), grossly exaggerate health/safety risks of dissolvable tobacco (that now includes nicotine lozenges), falsely claim products are marketed to youth, call them candy.
New Senator Brown and Senate Colleagues to FDA: It's Time To Close The Door On Tobacco Candy
http://www.ktvz.com/news/28300863/detail.html (6/16/11 Dem Sens. letter to Margaret Hamburg)






Although we recognize that FDA has not yet asserted jurisdiction over the full range of tobacco products potentially subject to regulation under the statute, FDA does have authority over smokeless tobacco products. For this reason, we do not understand why Ariva-BDL and Stonewall-BDL should not be categorized as “smokeless tobacco products” and subjected to immediate FDA regulation. We fear that this action will encourage other tobacco companies to introduce new forms of dissolvable tobacco products in an effort to avoid regulation as smokeless tobacco products, an outcome that Congress intended to prevent. Already, another tobacco manufacturer, R.J. Reynolds, recently reintroduced dissolvable, candy-like Camel products, including Sticks, Strips and Orbs, in Charlotte and Denver. Yet another manufacturer, Altria has debuted its “smokeless tobacco stick” and is test marketing it in Kansas. The recent proliferation of dissolvable tobacco products—which can easily end up in the hands of children—in the marketplace, makes FDA’s decision particularly disturbing. October 14, 2011

US Senate Democrats Blumenthal, Lautenberg & Brown urge FDA to "swiftly" expand tobacco regulations, falsely accuse tobacco industry of undermining FSPTCA, urge agency to apply Chapter IX to all cigars, pipe tobacco, hookah/shisha, dissolvables, e-cigarettes and other tobacco products, criticize companies for marketing exponentially less hazardous smokefree alternatives to smokers, grossly misrepresent health risks/benefits and marketing of smokefree products.
Senators Send Letter to FDA on Other Tobacco Products

http://www.cspdigitals.com/tobaccoenews/tom-letter.pdf (Oct. 14, 2011 letter to Margaret Hamburg from Sens Lautenberg, Blumenthal, Brown)


Now, we respectfully request that FDA build on these successes and move swiftly to issue a strong regulation that would legally treat or deem all tobacco products, including cigars, pipe tobacco, and hookah tobacco and accessories, as subject to the Tobacco Control Act. We appreciate FDA's past work to issue this important regulatin. Now we ask that you provide us with an update on the agency's progress and anticipated timeline for completion of this regulation, commonly known as the "deeming" rule. In addition, we would appreciae the opportunity to discuss the specifics of this new rule with yout, and would also ask that you respond to this letter with a date indicating your availability for such a meeting.

On July 13, 2011, Dr. Lawrence Deyton, Director of FDA's Center for Tobacco Products, met with Senators Blumenthal, Sherrod Brown, and Merkley to discuss FDA's regulatory decision around Star Scientific's products Ariva-BDL and Stonewall-BDL, two recently-developed dissolvable tobacco lozenges. In June, FDA deemed both products to be outside the direct regulatory authority afforded the agency under Chapter IX of the FSPTCA, thus requiring FDA to issue an additional regulation in order to assert authority over such products. While we continue to respectfully disagree with this decision, we were encouraged during this meeting to hear of FDA's commitment to swiftly issue such a "deeming" regulation, and were pleased to hear of an anticipated October release. November 29, 2011


Cigars | FDA | Obama Administration | Regulations | The Daily Caller


Cigar smokers are mad as hell, and they aren’t going to take it anymore. Faced with an unprecedented assault on their guilty pleasure from President Barack Obama’s Food and Drug Administration, aficionados and industry insiders told The Daily Caller that they’re picking up their torch lighters and revolting.


Usually divided by their preferences for mild, medium and full-bodied smokes, they’re uniting against regulations that threaten to make cigars prohibitively expensive, shut down scores of small cigar shops, jeopardize tens of thousands of jobs and erase the traditionally bright line between Camels and Cohibas.

Cigar lovers are also recruiting members of Congress to defend what public health activists and anti-cancer crusaders see as little more than gentrified cigarettes smoked by economic one-percenters.

“Only a couple weeks remain,” one apocalyptic online pitch warns, “to stop the FDA from ruining cigars.” If that seems like a stretch, don’t bother telling Famous Smoke Shop. The e-tailer has sent 1.7 million emails to customers on its mailing lists, asking them to encourage their representatives in Congress to co-sponsor legislation designed to tie the FDA’s hands.

Cigar industry representatives told TheDC that efforts like this have already generated more than 113,000 messages to Congress.

It’s no surprise, then, that 125 House members and four senators are on board. They include 26 Democrats, along with six of Congress’ 20 physicians and two of its seven nurses — all strange bedfellows for a pro-tobacco law in the making.
Sen. Mary Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat, announced Wednesday that she will join them. Landrieu chairs the Senate Committee on Small Business & Entrepreneurship, a crucial position from which to influence an issue that affects mostly mom-and-pop retailers.

Cutting an Exception

The Traditional Cigar Manufacturing and Small Business Jobs Preservation Act of 2011 arrived in the House in April and the Senate in August. Much of the domestic cigar supply enters the United States in the Sunshine State, and two Florida legislators — Republican Rep. Bill Posey and Democratic Sen. Bill Nelson — are leading the charge.

The bill’s focus is to carve out an exception for premium cigars in the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, signed into law by President Obama in 2009.

The Tobacco Control Act (TCA) gave the FDA new authority to regulate tobacco, and the agency has most famously wielded that power by requiring garish photographic warnings this year on cigarette packs. But the law, an FDA spokesperson told The Daily Caller in an email, “also permits FDA to deem other ‘tobacco products’ subject to the TCA’s general controls by regulation.”

The FDA spokesperson explained that a “proposed rule deeming cigars to be subject to FDA’s jurisdiction” could be “finalized” after a public-comment period expires, giving the agency the authority to regulate “any product that meets the definition of a ‘tobacco product’ under the TCA, including cigars, little cigars, and certain novel nicotine containing products (such as certain electronic cigarettes).”


The FDA seems to be taking its longer leash seriously. On three occasions since December 2010, the agency has already put the cigar industry on notice that it intends to propose a rule to “deem cigars subject to the Tobacco Control Act.”

Credit to: Bill Godshall

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Old 12-02-2011, 10:02 AM   #5
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It all comes back to the same thing...taxes...which is where it all started
The PV market was created entirely out of egregious taxing..
If analogs were still a buck a pack this industry would not exist, but the greed of government officials, under the complete guise of smoking reduction, saw it as a means to sin tax a forced habit of 20% of the population tax payers (25 million in the US) with no ability to fight back as we all know the undisputed health effects of smoking.
The PV market has grown to point (2.5 million users) where the government immediately notices its ripe tax potential considering its never before seen radically successful reduction of former analog tax abused base. Over the last year they have been orchestrating this move in bringing to regulation tight controls of this market because of its serious threat to the existing tobacco user tax base..It has absolutely nothing to do with controlling the safety of tobacco products as they so venomously attempted to propagandized...its all about the control and more ultimately the money be it from taxes or funds from big pharma and big tobacco...were not just on the radar...they already have a lock on us
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Somebody needs to hit those bozos over the head with a hammer until they realize that PV's are NOT tobacco products.
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It all comes back to the same thing...taxes...which is where it all started
The PV market was created entirely out of egregious taxing..
If analogs were still a buck a pack this industry would not exist, but the greed of government officials, under the complete guise of smoking reduction, saw it as a means to sin tax a forced habit of 20% of the population tax payers (25 million in the US) with no ability to fight back as we all know the undisputed health effects of smoking.
The PV market has grown to point (2.5 million users) where the government immediately notices its ripe tax potential considering its never before seen radically successful reduction of former analog tax abused base. Over the last year they have been orchestrating this move in bringing to regulation tight controls of this market because of its serious threat to the existing tobacco user tax base..It has absolutely nothing to do with controlling the safety of tobacco products as they so venomously attempted to propagandized...its all about the control and more ultimately the money be it from taxes or funds from big pharma and big tobacco...were not just on the radar...they already have a lock on us
Thanks, Berg. Saved me from my rant and rave mode. Rez, it has nothing to do with tobacco. The tax they have been trying to add to sugar drinks is the same thing. Sin Tax. Pennsylvania started out with no lotteries or casinos. But Jersey and Nevada took all the money. PA now has 8 to 10 lotteries a day and lots of casinos with more coming. And the governor of the state was in the vanguard of restrictions of on line gambling. It's all about revenue with no accountability. {just a little rant}
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Thanks, Berg. Saved me from my rant and rave mode. Rez, it has nothing to do with tobacco. The tax they have been trying to add to sugar drinks is the same thing. Sin Tax. Pennsylvania started out with no lotteries or casinos. But Jersey and Nevada took all the money. PA now has 8 to 10 lotteries a day and lots of casinos with more coming. And the governor of the state was in the vanguard of restrictions of on line gambling. It's all about revenue with no accountability. {just a little rant}
LOL! Rant on buddy when ya feel the need. Just thinking about taxes today get my blood bubbling. Ga used to be the same with no lotteries or casinos. Then years back there was talk of bring the lottery here creating a big divide. So then it was stated it would fund hope scholarships in Ga colleges as well as the pre-k programs.... soon it past.... now we have dozens of variations of lotteries all supposedly doing very well.... yet.... the money is lacking in the education programs. Each year while getting my master degree, I received notices that there was no funding for hope and watch many pre-k programs get cut out all together or were cut back so drastically that the program existed in a pathetic state.
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Well put, Berger.

On the plus side, this gives me more ammo to convince my wife I need to get the Ipro SOONER rather than later.
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Well put, Berger.

On the plus side, this gives me more ammo to convince my wife I need to get the Ipro SOONER rather than later.
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LOL! Rant on buddy when ya feel the need. Just thinking about taxes today get my blood bubbling. Ga used to be the same with no lotteries or casinos. Then years back there was talk of bring the lottery here creating a big divide. So then it was stated it would fund hope scholarships in Ga colleges as well as the pre-k programs.... soon it past.... now we have dozens of variations of lotteries all supposedly doing very well.... yet.... the money is lacking in the education programs. Each year while getting my master degree, I received notices that there was no funding for hope and watch many pre-k programs get cut out all together or were cut back so drastically that the program existed in a pathetic state.
We have the same thing in MO & KS, they brought in the casino's promising that all the profits would go to education, now they've been here 15 or 20 years and the records show they are contributing less than 1% of their profits to education, and we can't do anything about it because it is the states running them, and they are the ones lying to us.
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We have the same thing in MO & KS, they brought in the casino's promising that all the profits would go to education, now they've been here 15 or 20 years and the records show they are contributing less than 1% of their profits to education, and we can't do anything about it because it is the states running them, and they are the ones lying to us.
Exactly!! We even had a big stink about one of the people in a pretty high position miss using the money. Can't imagine all that goes one we don't know about.
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