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Old 02-03-2009, 01:53 PM   #1
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So I really like vaping. More so than I did smoking, and I don't need a doctor to tell me I can breathe better, I smell better, I taste things better, and I can exercise without feeling like I'm going to have a heart attack.

This recent news of a ban has me moving forward with plans I already had to maximize use of equipment I have as well as making myself as independant as possible from the suppliers.

I can make my own juice, and will be experimenting with that shortly. I can make my own battery packs, and I have a few cool ideas I may share once I get a working prototype. Think of a knob that you can kind of crank up the voltage a bit (to find a good sweet spot for vapor production), and an indicator light that would come on if there is an open on the circuit (dead atomizer), as well as some other things I'd like to toy with.

It seems the atomizer is the only thing I will need to stock up on since I can fabricate the other items in case of a ban.

Is anyone else thinking along these lines, or am I just paranoid?
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Old 02-03-2009, 01:55 PM   #2
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I definitely thought about it. Im gonna see how it all plays out, and if confirmations start rolling in from other retailers about shipments getting seized, Ill go bulk and stock up.

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Old 02-03-2009, 02:35 PM   #3
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Meh, I'm not too worried as of yet. I don't think the news lady had much warrant. Her saying that they are already seizing electronic cigarettes is true, but they're not always labeled ELECTRONIC CIGARETTES on the forum. Regardless, you'd think more journalists would have a field day with people selling them in the USA if they truly were illegal to sell.
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:16 PM   #4
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Here is something interesting:

Dear Josh,

Thank you for writing the Division of Drug Information, in the FDA's Center
for Drug Evaluation and Research.

The "electronic cigarettes" that FDA has reviewed are drug-device
combinations under section 503(g)(1) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic
Act (the Act) (21 U.S.C. 353(g)(1)) with their "drug" uses, as defined by
section 201(g) of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 321(g)), as the primary mode of
action. In this regard, these products contain no tobacco leaf or stem
material, but are designed to look like conventional cigarettes. They are
intended to be manipulated and used (inhaled) in ways similar to how a
smoker manipulates and uses conventional cigarettes. And, like conventional
cigarettes, they are intended primarily for the delivery of volatilized
chemical substances to affect the body's structures and functions and/or to
mitigate or treat the symptoms of nicotine addiction through a chemical or
metabolic action on the body. The "electronic cigarettes" that we have
reviewed are designed with a re-chargeable battery-operated heating element
that volatilizes the chemical constituents contained within replaceable
cartridges. These cartridges may or may not include nicotine. Since we are
not aware of any data establishing that such products are generally
recognized among scientific experts as safe and effective for these "drug"
uses, they are "new drugs," as defined by section 201(p) of the Act (21
U.S.C. § 321(p)) requiring approval of an application filed in accordance
with section 505 of the Act (21 U.S.C. § 355) to be legally marketed in the
United States.

None of these so-called "electronic cigarettes" is covered by an approved
NDA, or proven to be safe and effective. Thus, the marketing of them in the
United States would be subject to enforcement action.

Furthermore, the "electronic cigarettes" that we have reviewed are not
subject to the Federal Cigarette Labeling and Advertising Act (FCLAA), Pub.
L. No. 89-92, (15 U.S.C. §§ 1331 et seq), nor are they subject to the
Comprehensive Smokeless Tobacco Health Education Act (CSTHEA), Pub. L. No.
98-474 (1986), (15 U.S.C. §§ 4401 et seq). Thus, they do not fit within the
regulatory scheme that Congress has established for tobacco products.

A detailed discussion of the new drug application (NDA) process is available
on FDA's Internet Web site at:
Drug Approval Application Process. The sections
of the Act referenced above are also available on FDA's Internet web site at
U S Food and Drug Administration Home Page.

I hope this is helpful.

Best regards,
Drug Information CC
Division of Drug Information
Center for Drug Evaluation and Research
Food and Drug Administration
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:18 PM   #5
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So I wrote back:
Marketing them is illegal, but what about using them?

They wrote back:

FDA usually does not take action again individual consumers who use unapproved products.



So we may be ok to use them. Might be ok to sell them, just can't "Market" them?
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:21 PM   #6
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None of these so-called "electronic cigarettes" is covered by an approved
NDA, or proven to be safe and effective. Thus, the marketing of them in the
United States would be subject to enforcement action.
So, wtf does that mean

And when was this sent to you, recently in relation to the story from this morning?
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Old 02-03-2009, 05:23 PM   #7
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So I wrote back:
Marketing them is illegal, but what about using them?

They wrote back:

FDA usually does not take action again individual consumers who use unapproved products.



So we may be ok to use them. Might be ok to sell them, just can't "Market" them?
Well, that is good to know. All these e-cig sellers better get a "not proven safe, not reviewed by the FDA" notice on their sites and packaging, like those herbal supplement folks do on the commercials.
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Old 02-03-2009, 06:05 PM   #8
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Yup, just emailed them this morning. They are surprisingly quick to respond.
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Old 02-03-2009, 11:38 PM   #9
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I'll stock up on liquid and just find some good weed vaporizers like the i-inhale if ours get banned
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Old 02-04-2009, 02:08 AM   #10
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How is it that pharmaceutical drugs which are KNOWN to have dangerous side effects, that they can still obtain FDA approval? It seems to me that this may very well be a compromised agency

Read this...

FDA compromised by drugs companies

And this...

FDA Fails to Protect Americans from Dangerous Drugs and Unsafe Foods ~ Newsroom ~ News from CSPI

I can't help but think that e-cigs are doomed in the long run, because it isn't strictly about safety. There are political and financial agendas involved
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Old 02-08-2009, 10:03 AM   #11
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"I can't help but think that e-cigs are doomed in the long run, because it isn't strictly about safety. There are political and financial agendas involved"

Without a doubt. Many suppliers are sold out of things, and I've emailed a few about the situation and almost noone has responded. I luckily did stock up on atomizers and juice. I can power the atomizers in a number of creative ways, so I can sustain my habit in the face of a ban/shortage for a bit.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:48 AM   #12
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I would agree that the current market formula for e-cigs won't be around much longer but I'm not so sure it will be a bad thing in the long run.
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:33 PM   #13
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I am dubious of the remark about it being illegal to market e-cigarettes in the US. I have been trying to get a business together to become a supplier, and over the weekend I discovered that e-cigs can already be purchased online from Costco and Target, and Walgreens will stock them in stores by April.

I seriously doubt that Costco and Target did not use their considerable legal resources to verify that e-cigs can currently be marketed and sold.

Here are links to the NJOY e-cig on Costco.com and Target.com:

Costco - NJOY? NPRO Electronic Cigarette Traditional Starter Kit Smoking Alternative

NJOY : Target Search Results
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Old 02-09-2009, 04:38 PM   #14
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Wow, if major retailers are starting to sell them, this is a good thing for us!

Unfortunately, they only sell Njoy, which (at least) on the Target site, doesn't get very good reviews. Although a lot of reviewers do say YES to e-smoking and NO to NJoy

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Old 04-29-2009, 05:54 PM   #15
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neither company has them anymore. costco and target, i mean.
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Old 04-30-2009, 11:09 AM   #16
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Interesting...
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