PUFFDADDY

PHILIP MORRIS IN NEGOTIATIONS WITH ORIGINAL E-CIGARETTE COMPANY
Subtitle: Little is known about the backdoor meetings with little to any
media coverage

Source: OfficialWire
Date: 2009-11-04
Author: Tiffany Ellis, ui@jquery.com, (510) 230-3947
URL:
OfficialWire: Philip Morris In Negotiations With Original E-Cigarette Company
ID: 292154

What many e-cigarette users have feared from day one could be in
the works: Philip Morris, the biggest maker of tobacco cigarettes
in the United States, has been discovered to be in negotiations
with Ruyan Group, which manufactured the original e-cigarette
starting in 2005. A short news article on Quamnet.com states the
seriousness of the matter:

"Ruyan Group said that an agreement between the Company and
Philip Morris International Management S.A. could not be reached
on matters relating to the co-operation between them on its
"electronic cigarettes" by the end of the first and exclusive
phase of negotiations."

Category -Business (Tobacco) -E-cigs
Org - MO


THE LINK IS NOT WORKING BUT THIS IS SCARY TO ME & MOST LIKELY ALL THE SUPPLIERS AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE STARTED THEIR OWN COMPANY

highping

Puff.. Why is this scary to you. Having a BT company on the side of e-cigs can only help the cause. As we all know they have more pull with the fatcats in DC than any mom-n-pop juice supplier ever could.
Besides that, even if PM buys Ruyan, that doesn't mean I have to buy anything from PM.

Just wondering what your concerns are???

nebraskapuffer

My crystal ball tells me that e-juice will become illeagle without a prescription. And with this health care crap getting shoved down our throats I can see it costing more than analogs ever costed. I'm sure fda will require their own special additives in the e-juice to make it more addictive and more harmful like they did with analogs. fda, big tobacco, none of them are out to help us. A wise man once said "stock up". The same wise man also said.........they are watching us!

highping

I'm pretty confident that I will be able to get juice from China with no problems after a ban. They're quite crafty with the shipping

nebraskapuffer

I'm sure I'll be ordering from China for my 1st time also when the time comes. The Chinese are smart so I'm sure their prices will go up as they watch the news here.

PUFFDADDY

My concerns are that a couple of my buddies will be out of a job if PM buys out ruyan because everyone knows they have the money for advertising and to be able to make E-Cigs HUGE! meaning everyone will buy their products and everyone who is a supplier will then be OUT OF BUSINESS, meaning I won't get any sweetheart deals...lol...But by the looks and sounds of recent report Ruyan and PM have NOT come into an agreement.....

Anothertime

Nicotine patches and nicotine gum are available today without prescription. The latest nicotine replacement therapy product is the nicotine lozenge, also available without a prescription.

I can't see them requiring a prescription for the e-liquid. If Philip Morris does get involved it won't mean the death of the suppliers because they are bound to be more expensive than the average supplier. The Ruyan prices are way out there. I think it would harm the kiosk sales though.

PUFFDADDY

Absolutely, i think the kiosks will be nonexistent if and when PM gets involved. But for the people that still have no idea about E-Cigs they will BUY because we all know PM will advertise the hell out of this great new product. I for one will boycott anything that has to do with Philip Morris.

LeCig

If PM gets involved what will happen is ecigs on ever corner, a flood of their product and good old fashion dirty pool with prices. But it seems suppliers in the US are already cutting their own throats. The chineese companies offering product at bottom based prices is only hurting their industry as well. In the meantime we will continue to beat their prices because of the shipping costs they have to tack on.

I personally will join you puff, I don't see how support those who lobby to poison its customers for a centrury should get any business. They've known about the ecig for a lot longer than the oldest of vetrans on this board and did nothing to bring it to market.

Just my 2 cents.

highping

Puff.. If PM/BT gets into the ecig game, I think it is only going to help your buddies. Here's why I say that...
Just walk down the street and ask a hundred people at random if they know what an e-cig is. I would bet that you might get 2 that could answer (if that). That might be a little unfair, so ask 100 smokers (then you might get 3-4).
Now flash forward to 6months after PM and RJR have gotten into e-cigs... of those 100 smokers you're gonna get 95 that know about e-cigs and probably 65-70 that use them.

Right now your buddies are selling to an extremely small market. Can you imagine their market base if 70% of all smokers were converted to 'e-smokers'. They would need to move from their basements businesses to massive warehouses to keep up with demand.

And one thing I can almost guarantee is that PM is not going to be selling 3-piece systems and juices. They are going to sell carto systems and high priced refill cartos, or even disposables e-cigs. This creates a HUGE market for juice sellers.
They are also only going to sell something that looks like a cig. (in other words, some wimpy POS). This opens up a HUGE mod market.

Unless you foresee something I'm missing, I think it will be a great thing if BT decides to get into e-cigs...IDK...I could be totally missing something??

Anothertime

I think you are right on. I personally am hoping they get going quickly. It would take some of the scare out of it for those that are afraid the stock might dry up. The Gov won't interfere if the big money people want this.

Hachiroku

I was going to order an e-cig from a Chinese company, but after reading the shipping fees, delivery times and then the FDA seizing shipments coming into the country, I decided I was only going to buy from people in the US, and try to avoid 'drop shippers'. I think one guy here said he lost about $1000 due to seizures! No, thanks. Besides, the Chinese are making all the money in the world anyway, what's a few more bucks to keep a good US supplier holding on as long as he can?

I also (Try to) stick to US based juice suppliers like VtVapor. For one thing, they are about 3 counties away so I get my juice in a couple days, they make all their own stuff, use VG rather than PG and list the ingredients on the web site and the bottle. Considering lead paint in toys, it would not surprise me if I found the Chinese juice makers were using automotive grade PG in their juice!

(otherwise known as ANTI-FREEZE!)

LeCig

I'm all for supporting US based businesses. Everytime a dollar leaves the US, it never returns If anyone here is a US juice supplier please contact me I'd like to talk turkey.

For now I only trust DeKang when it comes to Chineese Juicy Juice.