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09-14-2011, 08:39 AM
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| A PBusardo Review - Buzz Pro Battery Comparison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6USIvOUVsw
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09-14-2011, 08:49 AM
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| Hey Phil..Ive been adding the titles to the post just to make it easier to see what it is..hope you dont mind
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09-14-2011, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by berger  Hey Phil..Ive been adding the titles to the post just to make it easier to see what it is..hope you dont mind | Don't mind at all. I'll try to remedy this moving forward. Thanks! | |
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09-14-2011, 01:14 PM
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| Very interesting review Phil! I was under the assumption that the higher the mAh the longer the battery life but your comparison looks to be the opposite of that. Dang big difference between the Powerizer 650mAh and GTL 2000mAh. Thanks for sharing this. | |
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09-14-2011, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RY4 Very interesting review Phil! I was under the assumption that the higher the mAh the longer the battery life but your comparison looks to be the opposite of that. Dang big difference between the Powerizer 650mAh and GTL 2000mAh. Thanks for sharing this. | My pleasure. I'm learning this battery stuff as I go! | |
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09-14-2011, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by pbusardo My pleasure. I'm learning this battery stuff as I go! | Those were your test results?
Or the vendor's?
Never mind, I listened again.
Quite a difference between cells.
I would expect the cheap cells to fall behind, but the AW?
That ought to get some comments 
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...Quasi was right...Once
...OK, Twice...Maybe
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09-14-2011, 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocketman Those were your test results?
Or the vendor's?
Never mind, I listened again.
Quite a difference between cells.
I would expect the cheap cells to fall behind, but the AW?
That ought to get some comments | Rocket I did a bunch of tests on all kinds of batts with a digital battery analyzer , here are the results . Please read the data on the last sheets it makes it clear. I did not test the batts Phil had BTW
there were about 10-12 other sets that sucked or were so-so these are the top performers .   
Anyhow the Powerizers were the best ones ( non protected ) the AW's were a close second
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09-14-2011, 02:13 PM
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| I cant imagine using unprotected in series though...isn't there possible unbalanced, low voltage & short circuit issues to worry about? or is the chemistry different on these?
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09-14-2011, 02:21 PM
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| Were those unprotected batteries? | |
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09-14-2011, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by berger Hagstrom...shoot the file to me and I will convert and up load it for you
I cant imagine using unprotected in series though...isn't there possible unbalanced, low voltage & short circuit issues to worry about? or is the chemistry different on these? | Done ,
Yes they are unprotected , the problem and the OVER HYPE with un protected batts was because they were being used in UN PROTECTED devices !!! so the device could NOT protect the batteries.
The Buzz , Buzz Pro , Infinity Pro , VVPV and all of our devices have BUILT IN protection so the battery is safe from over Current ( worst thing to do )
as far as unbalancing goes one battery will drain faster than the other ( this is due to internal resistance ) they drop off FAST at the end of the charge , thye tend to be about 3 volts at end of charge , this is within the specs the MFG states as OK ( they use them in flashlights all the time with no issues ) . In fact the protection circuits cut out at 2.8 volts in most batts.
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09-14-2011, 02:35 PM
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| Thanks Hag.
Maybe a screen shot would have enough resolution.
I can believe those really cheap cells would have a problem in a VV mod.
They are good for wimpy vaping
OK I saw the edit.
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09-14-2011, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hagstrom Done ,
Yes they are unprotected , the problem and the OVER HYPE with un protected batts was because they were being used in UN PROTECTED devices !!! so the device could NOT protect the batteries.
The Buzz , Buzz Pro , Infinity Pro , VVPV and all of our devices have BUILT IN protection so the battery is safe from over Current ( worst thing to do )
as far as unbalancing goes one battery will drain faster than the other ( this is due to internal resistance ) they drop off FAST at the end of the charge , thye tend to be about 3 volts at end of charge , this is within the specs the MFG states as OK ( they use them in flashlights all the time with no issues ) . In fact the protection circuits cut out at 2.8 volts in most batts. | If I understand the technology correctly, I should also stop using my 12v car battery charger to charge them as well, correct? You know... just to be safe. | |
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Originally Posted by pbusardo If I understand the technology correctly, I should also stop using my 12v car battery charger to charge them as well, correct? You know... just to be safe. | Is it a
Beeeg car charger?
or just a Leetle charger?
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A good e-juice, fresh carto, and 3.7 volts from a REALLY REALLY BIG battery works for me. YMMV
Originally Posted by Rocketman
...Quasi was right...Once
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09-14-2011, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by hagstrom Done ,
Yes they are unprotected , the problem and the OVER HYPE with un protected batts was because they were being used in UN PROTECTED devices !!! so the device could NOT protect the batteries.
The Buzz , Buzz Pro , Infinity Pro , VVPV and all of our devices have BUILT IN protection so the battery is safe from over Current ( worst thing to do )
as far as unbalancing goes one battery will drain faster than the other ( this is due to internal resistance ) they drop off FAST at the end of the charge , thye tend to be about 3 volts at end of charge , this is within the specs the MFG states as OK ( they use them in flashlights all the time with no issues ) . In fact the protection circuits cut out at 2.8 volts in most batts. | So using unprotected batteries in the Infinity or Buzz Pro's wont damage the batteries from too low voltage condition then?
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09-14-2011, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by berger So using unprotected batteries in the Infinity or Buzz Pro's wont damage the batteries from too low voltage condition then? | No one has had any problems to date Berger , when a battery voltage goes too low the main thing that happens is that it will shorten the life of the battery some . but this is FULL discharge below 2.8 volts etc. | |
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09-14-2011, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by pbusardo If I understand the technology correctly, I should also stop using my 12v car battery charger to charge them as well, correct? You know... just to be safe. | AHHHHH YA, good idea | |
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09-14-2011, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocketman Is it a
Beeeg car charger?
or just a Leetle charger? | Neither... It's a Sears. Kinda Meeedle. | |
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09-14-2011, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by pbusardo Neither... It's a Sears. Kinda Meeedle. | LOOK ABOVE Berger posted the PDF info on the batts | |
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09-14-2011, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hagstrom Rocket I did a bunch of tests on all kinds of batts with a digital battery analyzer , here are the results . Please read the data on the last sheets it makes it clear. I did not test the batts Phil had BTW
there were about 10-12 other sets that sucked or were so-so these are the top performers .   
Anyhow the Powerizers were the best ones ( non protected ) the AW's were a close second | PDF of the batt tests | |
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09-14-2011, 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by hagstrom PDF of the batt tests | hagstrom, are the AWs on your list? | |
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09-14-2011, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by hagstrom No one has had any problems to date Berger , when a battery voltage goes too low the main thing that happens is that it will shorten the life of the battery some . but this is FULL discharge below 2.8 volts etc. | This may be a dumb question but hey, I'm blonde and queen of dumb questions.....  What happens if the batteries are put in backwards??? Sorry I don't know more about the batteries but with the epower models, it will fry the switch if you put in backwards. | |
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Originally Posted by pbusardo hagstrom, are the AWs on your list? | has been updated above..
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09-14-2011, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RY4 This may be a dumb question but hey, I'm blonde and queen of dumb questions..... What happens if the batteries are put in backwards??? Sorry I don't know more about the batteries but with the epower models, it will fry the switch if you put in backwards. | If you put one in backwards nothing happens... dont ask how I know that
If you put both in backwards...well I'm not trying that to find out...
this has not been a good week for batteries and switches (or fingers).. 
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09-14-2011, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by RY4 This may be a dumb question but hey, I'm blonde and queen of dumb questions..... What happens if the batteries are put in backwards??? Sorry I don't know more about the batteries but with the epower models, it will fry the switch if you put in backwards. | Nothing , the Notcigs products are REVERSE battery protected !
No question is a stupid question RY4 ! | |
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09-14-2011, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by berger has been updated above.. | Thanks | |
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