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11-01-2011, 10:12 AM
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#1 | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: AR
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| But I'm researching these for a friend of mine as well as my little sis. My screen name is my first name, Tonyalaya, and I'm a stay at home mom here in NW Arkansas. I have a few questions, I've been lurking for a few days but there is really just so much info and I only have so much time. So please forgive me if my questions are redundant and annoying. (As newbies often are  )
So here goes, the first two questions are about devices, the last three are kind of subjective and anecdotal, so feel free to skip those if you are in hurry. 
1. I've pretty much decided to buy sis and friend a starter cig or set to try. I think I've settled on the Joye 510 with cartomizers and a 10 ml bottle of juice to refill to get them going with as little fuss as possible and just to see if it will even work for them. Should I buy full kits for each one, or just get the batteries, chargers, carts and liquid separately? I mean which way will be cheaper? I've found a starter kit at Store.E-Cigarette-USA.Com for $23.99, but it's just 1 battery, a PCC and 3 cartos. I don't want to sound cheap, but I am buying for someone else who may or may not even use it.
(I'm not a shill, I promise, it's just the cheapest place I've found, but I haven't ordered yet, so any input on that particular vendor good or esp. bad would be great! Or point me in another direction. However, since I'm also not a smoker, I may be a drive-by poster so I apologize in advance for that. I will admit that I am an ex who still has cravings from time to time and the concept is intriguing, especially for someone who is dieting and fighting cravings. But that's another question.)
2. If the nic level isn't absorbed as well as an analog, should I order the higher level of nicotine for someone than their current analog level? For example, my friend smokes Marlboro Menthol lights (they are called 'gold' now I guess) so should I order the 11 mg, or the 16 mg? Lil sis smokes full flavor Camels, 16 mg or 24 mg?
3. When switching from analog to vaping has anyone noticed a change in their voice? Lil sis was in college to become an opera singer, really, she had a fab voice. Now, not so much. Since she's only smoked for a couple of years, and she's young (23) I'm hoping she'll be able to recover that voice and continue with her voice training. So I guess the root question here is: How hard is vaping on the pipes?
4. I've recently lost a considerable bit of weight, but as I get closer to my goal it's harder to stay focused. Does vaping the desert flavors help with craving for sweets? I know it's stupid, but I have had a hard time with food cravings lately and thought that perhaps vaping the flavor (with no nicotine) would help me to feel like I'm getting something sweet without the carbs! Anyone vape to keep from eating?
5. ADD-This question is for me. I have ADD, yes adults can have it, I've had many people who said "There's no such thing as ADD" when they met me, and then upon getting to know me are convinced otherwise lol! So, right now there is a shortage on Adderall, can't find it anywhere. (Well, there is a tiny pharmacy here but they want $80+ for a $22 script.) Adderall works b/c it's a stimulant. Nicotine is a stimulant. Anyone here with diagnosed ADD who uses vaping to help focus? I know that when I used to smoke it was probably b/c of my then undiagnosed ADD. It sure helped me get more done! I'm pretty sure I don't want to start a bad habit up, but not having my meds is beginning to wear on me. It's not something that is life or death, but over time not being able to get anything accomplished is getting old. Everything I'm reading says that nicotine is no worse than caffeine and vaping is only nicotine not all the other bad crap in ciggys, so I'm just curious on effects here. I know nicotine is addictive, as is caffeine, and well, Adderall (if it's abused), just so we are comparing apples to apples. (Except, you can get the first two easily and cheaply, while the third is highly controlled and at the moment nearly impossible to find even for the legit consumer, although I'm sure the street junkie can still get his fix for speed. grr! Off that soap box now.)
TIA for any info you can give me. Oh yeah, one more. I'm vacillating between the cartomizer system and the tank system. Which is better? I'm worried that the tank system might be a bit technical for the new user, but you could go longer b/t refilling. I really want friend and sis to switch for their health and the health of their families, so easier would seem to be the best route at the moment.
Thanks again!
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11-01-2011, 10:36 AM
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#2 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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| Hi Tonyalaya,
I think you did the smart thing coming here and asking first and we just love to give advice..even though some of it will differ.. 
1)That's such a hard call as in "for somebody else" part. I will say this..one battery stinks if it does work...PCC is a bit overboard for a first attempt IMHO but nice..maybe 2 batts and a charger would be better and a tad cheaper...510 threaded like those are a good choice though..most universal for a bunch of suppliers...juice may be a big choice and can be drastically different from one supplier to the next taste wise..that may be really important for a noob just starting out..no juice will taste exactly like an analog to be honest ask around I'm sure there will be tons of suggestions
2) I would guess 18-24 is a middle of the road good place to start..Id lean more to 24 myself as a pack a day light smoker before..that seemed to satisfy better...can always lower it later if it takes off for them..
3) I have noticed PG tends to dry me out more then mostly VG mixes..drinking water fixes that either way..I don't sing so I wouldn't venture to say about that other then it has to be much better then the smoking currently is for sure..
4) That's a tough one..maybe..I use a lot of sweet flavors like red hots and really like them a bunch so maybe but I think that depends on the individual person..there are surely a bunch of great flavors to try..that's for sure
5) I for one would really hate to see you start back on nic if your free of it...I would not recommend that with my ADD..I seriously doubt it would replace medications
As far as tanks vs cartos...both can be good and bad all depends on which one your using...low resistance stuff (LR) gives off more heat and vapor but the trade off is battery life...Tanks do sometimes have problems with leaking so as a beginning point Id stick to cartos if for that reason alone..its all about making it hassle free as much as possible in the beginning I would think
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11-01-2011, 11:23 AM
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#3 | | Hypervaporation in effect Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Deep in the Heart of the greatest state in the Union
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Here are my thoughts. Need to make a FAQ.
The first timer can be easily turned off in my experience. If they are hesitant or already have a preconceived notion this can be delicate ground. The first experience could be a stopping point for some. The real question in my mind, would be how bad do you want to help. I assure you, that any smoker can find something they like, but it could involve a lot of trial and error to find it. I would recommend you have multiple options available for that first push. By that I mean,
A decent battery - any that will do the job. Not that important, as long as it will hold up and the new user is ok with the style. This may or may not be a big deal. If you do go small then expect it to be on the charger a lot. Especially if you only grab the one. If its only a test for an initial trial, maybe this is ok. The ratings on all this stuff is way bloated if not deceptive.
Cartomizers - The important part IMO. To begin with, I would personally approach a new user with the standard, single coil style. I would have a 3.2, 2.5 and/or a 2.0 ohm as each one can considerably change the way the vape tastes and feels on a single device. It will also change the temperature of the vapor and how much is created. This can be a deal breaker for some. Some like it hot. Some not so much. But the flavor can be quite different between a common 3.2 and a lower 2.0. The fact is, two people using everything else the same; one might like the higher one and one the lower one.
Ejuice - With about a million people all trying to make there own. Well.. Some is good, some great, some is usable and some.. IS AWFUL. There are quite a few manufactures that are above the rest. Which ones? Well... I can't really answer that as well as some of the other members might. I mostly make my own. I will say this. Something you like normally might not be so great when you vape it.
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1 -Keep the battery charged up. It just works better.
2 -Filling a cartomizer with juice is an art. Easily learned but helps to be guided. Couple drops too many and you have a mess to clean.
3 -Staying hydrated can be important, but actually drinking keeps the mouth from drying out. This can be an issue for some.
4 -If you can't figure it out. Come ask a question.
5 -Stick with it. It works. And more importantly. It is better than smoking once you get the hang of it.
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11-01-2011, 11:44 AM
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#4 | | Dismembered Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA
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2. If the nic level isn't absorbed as well as an analog, should I order the higher level of nicotine for someone than their current analog level? For example, my friend smokes Marlboro Menthol lights (they are called 'gold' now I guess) so should I order the 11 mg, or the 16 mg? Lil sis smokes full flavor Camels, 16 mg or 24 mg?
| I always hear this. Maybe I smoked different than some, but my first ecig was an M401 with 24mg liquid.
The initial throat hit (or was it throat irritation?) was quite intense and an hour later my ears were ringing from the nic buzz.
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11-01-2011, 12:02 PM
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#5 | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: AR
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| Thanks for the responses! Quick notes: My friend is very open to trying vaping and will probably just order her own but she doesn't know what to order. I talked to her this morning and suggested two 510 batteries, 5 cartomizers, a charger and a 10 ml of juice. That all adds up to around $45 though. Not exactly cheap for just trying something. My sister would totally try it, but she only sees the initial cost and not the amount she could save, so I would have to buy hers to get her to try it. I would be willing to spend a little more on her b/c she is my little sis, I'd love to see her give up her Camels, she smells like one all the time! bleh! | |
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11-01-2011, 12:05 PM
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#6 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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| Ha..thats nothing compared to a carton of analogs (cigarettes)..
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11-01-2011, 12:12 PM
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#7 | | Suum Cuique Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: stronghurst, IL USA
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Originally Posted by tonyalaya  Thanks for the responses! Quick notes: My friend is very open to trying vaping and will probably just order her own but she doesn't know what to order. I talked to her this morning and suggested two 510 batteries, 5 cartomizers, a charger and a 10 ml of juice. That all adds up to around $45 though. Not exactly cheap for just trying something. My sister would totally try it, but she only sees the initial cost and not the amount she could save, so I would have to buy hers to get her to try it. I would be willing to spend a little more on her b/c she is my little sis, I'd love to see her give up her Camels, she smells like one all the time! bleh! | you could always get your sis an ego usb passthrough http://www.hitliquid.com/1050-mAh-Ba...uded_p_78.html it charges off any usb port while u vape with it and then when your ready to go just unplug and you have a charged batt ready to go. 21$ vs. the cost of 2 batts for her to try... was the route i went with 
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11-01-2011, 12:12 PM
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#8 | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: AR
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Ha..thats nothing compared to a carton of analogs
| Heh heh, here in AR $45 is the price of a carton of name brand analogs. And lil sis buys hers by the pack.  So for her it would seem like a lot, and it would be an either/or situation. I doubt she's going to go without analogs in order to buy e cigs, esp if she hasn't tried them yet. She can't go for a few hours without one, I'd hate to see her waiting on the mailman. | |
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11-01-2011, 12:13 PM
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#9 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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| Hey tonyalaya and welcome. That is very sweet of you to do that for your sis and friend. It is hard to determine individual needs of others when choosing vaping supplies but you have been given very good advice to go by. I really hope they like what you get them. There are several wonderful suppliers here that could talk to you personally and help you decided what might be a good starter for your sis and friend. | |
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11-01-2011, 12:18 PM
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#10 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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Originally Posted by tonyalaya Heh heh, here in AR $45 is the price of a carton of name brand analogs. And lil sis buys hers by the pack. So for her it would seem like a lot, and it would be an either/or situation. I doubt she's going to go without analogs in order to buy e cigs, esp if she hasn't tried them yet. She can't go for a few hours without one, I'd hate to see her waiting on the mailman. | I couldn't go long without a cig either. And I was very skeptical of this when I first saw it and I spent over $300 on my first kit which was SmokStik. I found this place shortly after and discovered all the inexpensive routes. Thank goodness they let me return everything for a full refund. I tried too many times with everything available to quick and failed every time. This has been the first thing to keep me cig free. I did fall off the wagon a couple of times over the past year but didn't amount to more than a pack. | |
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11-01-2011, 04:33 PM
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#11 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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| Singing? What little singing I COULD got hampered by VG. You have to clear your throat quite a bit! It collects right around the larynx. However, other than that, once the pipes are clear I can sing as well as I ever could...
Also, remember, I am a hypervaper. Someone who doesn't vape as much might not have as much trouble!
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11-01-2011, 05:41 PM
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#12 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Your Dreams
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| Welcome Tonyalaya! Congrats on quitting the cigs! It is a wonderful thing that you are doing! As for the singing, after I've had a few beers and karaoke, I think I sound better than pre-crack Whitney Houston! That's regardless of analogs, Pg, Vg, or anything I have consumed! | |
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11-01-2011, 05:59 PM
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#13 | | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Gainesville, Florida
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Originally Posted by Rose Welcome Tonyalaya! Congrats on quitting the cigs! It is a wonderful thing that you are doing! As for the singing, after I've had a few beers and karaoke, I think I sound better than pre-crack Whitney Houston! That's regardless of analogs, Pg, Vg, or anything I have consumed! | Lol, Rose...... | |
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11-01-2011, 06:15 PM
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#14 | | Dismembered Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA
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Originally Posted by tonyalaya Thanks for the responses! Quick notes: My friend is very open to trying vaping and will probably just order her own but she doesn't know what to order. I talked to her this morning and suggested two 510 batteries, 5 cartomizers, a charger and a 10 ml of juice. That all adds up to around $45 though. Not exactly cheap for just trying something. My sister would totally try it, but she only sees the initial cost and not the amount she could save, so I would have to buy hers to get her to try it. | http://www.madvapes.com/Disposable-E...ck_p_3331.html http://www.madvapes.com/510-DISPOSAB...ED_p_2080.html http://www.madvapes.com/Smok-Tech-20...le_p_2799.html
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11-01-2011, 06:20 PM
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#15 | | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Texas/New Mexico
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| Tonya, right now goodprophets .com has an outfit in their Specials that is a 510,2cartomisers,and a USB charger for 11.99 Two of those and some juice would come in under $30 if she just wants to get her feet wet at the shallow end of the pool.
Good luck with all of this and welcome to Vapeatron.
The middle black boxed 510s that JJ linked were where I got really started on vaping.
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11-01-2011, 10:45 PM
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#16 | | Hypervaporation in effect Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Deep in the Heart of the greatest state in the Union
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames | Vaping one of these right now.. good buy.. great vape
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Originally Posted by wetwire Vaping one of these right now.. good buy.. great vape | Where is Boge is missing the boat (they seem to miss on almost everything they do) is sticking with that dinky 35mm form factor on their cartos. The Smok's at 45mm for their standards make life a lot easier.
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11-03-2011, 02:02 PM
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#18 | | Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: AR
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| Thanks for the great info guys! I am checking out the goodprophet site for sure. But I can't find the e-liquid in regular flavors there. Am I missing something? I can find regular non-flavored nic liquid, and fruity and sweet flavors, but none just plain tobacco flavor. | |
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11-03-2011, 02:06 PM
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#19 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames Where is Boge is missing the boat (they seem to miss on almost everything they do) is sticking with that dinky 35mm form factor on their cartos. The Smok's at 45mm for their standards make life a lot easier. | So true! | |
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#20 | | Dismembered Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: USA
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| Wetwire told me his Smok 2Ω is a shorty.
Anyone know if they make a longer one?
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11-03-2011, 02:51 PM
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#21 | | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Gainesville, Florida
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames Wetwire told me his Smok 2Ω is a shorty.
Anyone know if they make a longer one? | Single or Dual coil? | |
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11-03-2011, 08:53 PM
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#23 | | Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: west virginia
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| Didn't want to open new thread so I'll hijack this one. One of my 146500's died today....services will be Sunday after noon, free lunch if you bring it. My question is since i got to be in car alot next few days and only 1 battery for it until order gets here. Can I hook up ego charger to the boss and charge battery? Or just leave it at home?
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#24 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| Don't think it charges through the connector.
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#25 | | Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: west virginia
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| I didn't figure so but worth asking and didn't want to burn another battery
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