noob questions. seeking guidance

Stehle · 08-01-2009, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by deschain

are those pcc's going to be for sale? or could you reveal where you got them?

Probably... yes. I may have a few extras.

lol They are manufactured by the Sailebao Technology Co, Ltd in Shenzhen China. This is where I got them.

Great people to deal with especially if your independently wealthy or had recently won the PowerBall lottery.

(Speaking a little Mandarin is always a plus too.)

godling · 08-01-2009, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by deschain

i thought about that. but they are still around 100mm. are they nicer than the 401s? plus the 401 has a good battery apparently

The Dragon is a 401. You could get a Dragon and a 403 battery for when you want to go small

drdave · 08-01-2009, 02:34 PM

Considering the m-401 is only a little bigger than the 403, its worth the extra length for the over double battery life.

tandera · 08-10-2009, 03:56 PM

Hey deschain,

I got my 24mg juice last friday. Man i got to tell you, redbull 24mg on a 84 is THE DEAL.

For me, four/five puffs is enough. Like 1 entire analog. I don't want nothing more. Today at job, i handled just one ecig. easy.

When i got out saturday, 3 full loaded 084's did the job.

BTW: my 510 is inside drawer since friday

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Originally Posted by tandera

i forgot to say i'm using 18mg juice for both devices. i got 24mg and 36mg juices comming next week. i'm going to tell you if with those juices, the 084 hits like a marlboro

Stehle · 08-11-2009, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by tandera

Hey deschain,

I got my 24mg juice last friday. Man i got to tell you, redbull 24mg on a 84 is THE DEAL.

For me, four/five puffs is enough. Like 1 entire analog. I don't want nothing more. Today at job, i handled just one ecig. easy.

When i got out saturday, 3 full loaded 084's did the job.

BTW: my 510 is inside drawer since friday

Now your getting the picture tandera!

I tried my favorite 36mg in the 084, but it was a bit too much so I cut back too 24mg which ROCKS!

I usually only rotate at most 3 full 084's, but keep a few extra carts on hand for backups.

tandera · 08-11-2009, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Stehle

Now your getting the picture tandera!

I tried my favorite 36mg in the 084, but it was a bit too much so I cut back too 24mg which ROCKS!

I usually only rotate at most 3 full 084's, but keep a few extra carts on hand for backups.

yea, rocks man! my atts gonna last longer now

and no need of puffin big scary ecigs! awesome!

PUFFDADDY · 08-11-2009, 05:19 PM

Id have to say the 401 or 510...The 510 I think is one of the best on the market.

Snarkyone · 09-27-2009, 06:39 AM

The m401 is smaller than the 510 and it's my go to vape, I have them both and I think these 510's are going to the for sale area. The battery life sucks big time compared to my Dragon which is a m401, the taste in the Dragon is superior and I can't see a nickels worth of difference in the vapor to be honest. I gave the 510 an honest try but I am really disappointed in mine compared to my m401 Dragon. The biggest drawback is the battery charge, even with a PCC you need more than a couple of them if you are a heavy vapor which most of us are at first when we are getting away from tobacco smokes. If you plan on using strictly E-Cigs then the 510 would not be my first choice but there are plenty of people that would. It all boils down to personal taste. I think you will find that once you get into this your own curiosity will drive you towards getting a different one to try anyway so try not to agonize over the 510 vs m401 choice, either one would be fine for someone starting out. As for the PCC look at the dealers that sell the 510 most of them also carry PCC or even have kits premade with a PCC included, just look.

Generic · 09-27-2009, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Snarkyone

The m401 is smaller than the 510 and it's my go to vape, I have them both and I think these 510's are going to the for sale area. The battery life sucks big time compared to my Dragon which is a m401, the taste in the Dragon is superior and I can't see a nickels worth of difference in the vapor to be honest. I gave the 510 an honest try but I am really disappointed in mine compared to my m401 Dragon. <snip!>.

Is the Dragon different than a standard M401? I had a 401 and it didn't perform well in any way other than battery life. Weak vapor production and therefore little to no "hit". I worked with it a lot, tried different attys, batteries, dipping, carts, you name it to no avail. I passed it on to a friend but haven't heard back yet.

I liked the size and certainly liked the battery life but I just couldn't get it to rock like my 510s.

Interesting, to say the least.

-Generic

Lazarus · 09-27-2009, 03:23 PM

I owned a number of 40X e-ciggys, they were sporatic at best. Only good things about the 401 was the battery life as you said, and that I could vape 36mg juice without a spinning head or coughing my lungs out. Something tells me they did not atomize the juice completely.

The second generation 401 is supposed to be the JSB 108, which has very good reviews. Also Royal Smokers says the original 401 has been re-designed and now a much better e-ciggy now too.

All and all the 510 will out vape a 401 hands down, but you better have a few extra batteries or a PCC.

Oh yeah, the 510 with the manual battery is 4 MM longer than the 401, if that makes any difference to you.

Snarkyone · 09-27-2009, 07:49 PM

I prefer my Dragon which is supposed to be a re-engineered m401 according to JD who runs Truesmoker.com I can't say if it is the Dragon that is actually better than other m401 models you may have tried but for me it outperforms my 510 both in the obvious battery life, but I prefer the taste big time, it might produce slightly less vapor but I still get a good hit from it and was able to walk away from analogs with it. My 510 kit on the other hand is up for sale after less than 30 minutes of use on either one in the kit.

Kaye · 09-28-2009, 02:03 AM

How much are you asking for your 510 kit? (There's a bunch of bargain hunters waiting to hear the answer.)

Snarkyone · 09-29-2009, 09:36 PM

Oh rats sorry I forgot about this for a day here, lol! I have met a person who makes professional 6v mods that is cutting me a sweetheart deal on a 6v mod for the 510 which will be it's last lease on life. I can't really say more than that at this point on the fate of the 510 if the mod doesn't do the trick for it you guy's will be the first to know.

One cool thing I am looking forward to is while talking with my new friend we discussed a 401 adapter for this mod as well which I am really really looking forward to since I have not seen a 6v mod for a m401/Dragon anywhere. I had asked if the 401 had a limitation or something to where the atomizer just couldn't handle the HV or not, but nobody really knew that I asked. This could be interesting to say the least if it pans out. The pics of his prior built mods just blew me away, when I get mine I will post it so you guys can judge for yourselves but I promise you will be impressed, these are professional quality work. I am so jazzed waiting for it to get done now, I am like a child the first week of December.

OneBucDad · 08-04-2010, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by drdave

I find it interesting that so many people only carry a couple of ecigs with them at a time. I guess I am just paranoid or something but I carry 5 units of the supermini's 3 m401's and 2 m403's at all times. I recycled this cool little JBL hardsided earbud case. It has enough storage to hold all the ecigs, a usb dongle, a usb to ac power brick with fold in plug, 3 spare carts, pair of tweezers, and a 3ml bottle of juice. The head unit in my car has a usb plug on it and most of the places I go have access to either AC power or USB and I still feel barely prepared. I am still trying to find a few extra centimeters of space in this case to put a second backup bottle of juice. I figure at least that way, if I get stuck in the woods...... Anyway, besides Rocket is there anyone who overprepares like this? I just keep replaying those worst case scenarios in my head. Trapped in an elevator for 20 hours, stuck in the lobby of the FDA looking for sanity, locked in a tobbacco store and so forth.

Do you have a pic of this case? I am trying to find a way to carry all of my crap.

socalsmoker · 08-04-2010, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by deschain

So when i first heard about blu a few weeks ago, i was amazed and set on getting one. however, further research led me to determine that they suck. plus, i was unaware that you could buy blank carts and fill them with whatever you wanted. so i decided not to get a blu.

here is my problem.

i want something as close to a real cig in terms of size and vapor. The first one i looked at is the 401 dragon. Then i found out that its about 100mm. From there, i changed my mind to getting an 084. ive heard great things about them. however ive heard that the battery life is poor and the carts run out quickly. making it a bad choice to take around with me all day to use whenever i would normally smoke a smoke.

what should i do?

if i decided to forgo my length requirement and ge something that lasts longer, i was considering possibly a 901 or 510. but again, i have no idea. im completely new to this.

thoughts?

At first I wanted one to look like a cigarette so I got a 510 kit. Then I realized looks quickly became secondary. I couldn't rely on the battery if I was out of the house. So in like a couple of days after getting the 510 kit I got the Riva Ego. The battery last much longer and voltage is 3.7 so vapor production and throat hit is much better. Now they have 1300 mAH batteries you can use with the 510 atty's. Buy a 510 pass through so you can start vaping right away while you wait for your batteries to charge. Initial charge should be 8-10 hours.

JohnnyJames · 08-04-2010, 01:32 PM

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So in like a couple of days after getting the 510 kit I got the Riva Ego. The battery last much longer and voltage is 3.7 so vapor production and throat hit is much better.

Well first off the Riva is an EastMall product and has nothing to do with the eGo (or Tornado) which is a Joye product. Neither of them operate at 3.7V.

socalsmoker · 08-04-2010, 01:44 PM

My Riva Ego battery when fully charged measures at 4.02v w no load. It'll drop down as you use them. Yesterday one went into low voltage protection and shut off at 3.45v.

JohnnyJames · 08-04-2010, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by socalsmoker

My Riva Ego battery when fully charged measures at 4.02v w no load. It'll drop down as you use them. Yesterday one went into low voltage protection and shut off at 3.45v.

Those are unloaded volts. Joye products, real eGos, Tornados, standard 510 e-cig batts, and your EastMall clone Riva all come in at about 4V when fresh off the charger. Under load (while actually vaping) with a Joye atty you will be around 3.2V. My unfettered 3.7V Li-Ion mods when fully charged measure 4.2V (as does the only commercial e-cig batt I know of, the KR808D-1) Under load these vape at about 3.7V.

This slight difference in voltage and the additional current available to the atty mean an additional 30% more watts (heat if you will) are being produced.

Here is an eGo batt with a 2.5Ω load showing vaping, loaded volts.

here is a box mod with a single 14500 battery with the same load.

Rocketman · 08-04-2010, 04:02 PM

And a flashlight mod with a 18650 and a 3.2 ohm carto load.

http://www.vapeatron.com/attachments...to_tpvolts.jpg

socalsmoker · 08-04-2010, 04:11 PM

What a drop under load! I can't wait to get the new v2 Precious L.

JohnnyJames · 08-04-2010, 04:38 PM

Here's another good one for all the 'I only vape at '6V' crowd.

If they use a pair of the popular 3V Tenergy Li-PO's and a 2.1Ω Joye 510 here's where they are really at, loaded, right off the charger.

Those batts fresh off the charger were at 7.1V unloaded.

Note within a few minutes they will be vaping in the high 4V range (which is actually pretty 'sweet').

Also note with a little bit of knowledge and time home-brew mods that take full advantage of the batteries can be made for under $10. They may not be as pretty, but they produce just as well as the high priced ones.

VapingVictoria · 08-05-2010, 07:47 AM

I use an a hardshell eyeglass case to hold my stash. It holds lots of stuff and is easy to open when driving and I can wipe out the inside if anything leaks.