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08-31-2011, 11:09 PM
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#701 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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Originally Posted by hagstrom  Well put ROcket , all products have birthing issues , remember the first Iphone or was I pad ? >>>??? | LOL, and you have been birthing yours now how long??
How many more "births" are we going to have to witness before you can even be comparable to the other devices that are using what you say is your technology????????????
Bluntly harsh yet very true!! | 
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08-31-2011, 11:09 PM
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#702 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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| I have to agree Rocky..lots of enamor and hype but very little understanding..Ive been at this a year and I still have a long way to go in understanding the true nuts and bolts involved..for all the information out there ...there's lots of misinformation too..no ethical editors make a living on the internet..
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08-31-2011, 11:12 PM
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#703 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Central Ca.
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Originally Posted by Rocketman The amount of work that goes into making a mod, and making it right would drive the cost up beyond the cost of the assembly line produced mods. I can throw one together for $10 to $20 in parts, put 3 or 4 hours of effort in it (sometimes 8 to 10).
I could probably make well over a dollar an hour doing this  I sold a few, mostly on a 'friend' basis but decided I enjoyed giving advice much more. I really like giving advice
Besides, I would have to deal with people, and I don't like people
(kidding) | LOL ! it is a lot of work , tons of hours in prototypes and design before you even get close to production , then there are wrong or bad parts , scratches on tubes , failed electronics IC's bad solder joints etc. etc. etc. | |
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08-31-2011, 11:26 PM
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#704 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| hag, this isn't an endorsement, but I understand prototyping, market analysis, ROI, and process quality control. I usually wait until I have personally evaluated the performance of a product before I start publishing results. Some can do the same from watching a lot of youtube.
You folks out there shopping for something above the commercial Chinese e-cig (which seem to work just fine for thousands of people) group the mods you find into price/function categories before comparing apples and oranges.
A homemade plastic boxmod with NO bells and whistles, brought to market will be about $30. No batteries, no charger, just the box.
Make that simple mod out of metal (plumbing supplies) and the cost jumps to $50. Still no bells and whistles, no batteries.
Make it VV and it will be at least $100. One, because the market can bear that cost, and two it is costly to make in a low volume. What hourly rate would you do electronic assembly for? I do it for a dollar an hour
Kick up the bells and whistles, and the $100, metal, custom machined VV mod hits $125. add in batteries, charger, and $175 is a good system price.
Use the newest hype to describe your product and get a few extra bucks (until the latest new hype comes out).
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08-31-2011, 11:28 PM
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#705 | | Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Central Ca.
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Originally Posted by Rocketman hag, this isn't an endorsement, but I understand prototyping, market analysis, ROI, and process quality control. I usually wait until I have personally evaluated the performance of a product before I start publishing results. Some can do the same from watching a lot of youtube.
You folks out there shopping for something above the commercial Chinese e-cig (which seem to work just fine for thousands of people) group the mods you find into price/function categories before comparing apples and oranges.
A homemade plastic boxmod with NO bells and whistles, brought to market will be about $30. No batteries, no charger, just the box.
Make that simple mod out of metal (plumbing supplies) and the cost jumps to $50. Still no bells and whistles, no batteries.
Make it VV and it will be at least $100. One, because the market can bear that cost, and two it is costly to make in a low volume. What hourly rate would you do electronic assembly for? I do it for a dollar an hour
Kick up the bells and whistles, and the $100, metal, custom machined VV mod hits $125. add in batteries, charger, and $175 is a good system price.
Use the newest hype to describe your product and get a few extra bucks (until the latest new hype comes out). | No endorsement needed ! , but you hit the nail on the head ! | |
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08-31-2011, 11:42 PM
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#706 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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Originally Posted by berger I have to agree Rocky..lots of enamor and hype but very little understanding..Ive been at this a year and I still have a long way to go in understanding the true nuts and bolts involved..for all the information out there ...there's lots of misinformation too..no ethical editors make a living on the internet.. | Yep, just the little I've talked with you about blows my mind. You will get it though. Hang in there. Quote:
Originally Posted by hagstrom No endorsement needed ! , but you hit the nail on the head ! | Yes, Rocky does. Lord, still can't get over all the stuff involved. | |
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09-01-2011, 07:05 AM
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#707 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Michigan
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames That circuit would be fine for a PT that is running off, let's say, a 6V @ 3A power supply/adapter that is providing a steady, regulated voltage. | does anyone make such an animal?.....I think that would be exactly what I am looking for..... | |
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09-01-2011, 05:39 PM
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#708 | | Suum Cuique Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: stronghurst, IL USA
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Originally Posted by Steampunk Same way here. Esp with the 750/4! 
I'd just as soon have another one of these...  | there are days i wish i had my ugly as hell (it was pea soup green to boot) 1976 buick skyhawk still lol, had 500k miles on it when i bought it off my uncle in 95. i drove it another 150k before it started burning oil(had my own personal blackout cloud everytime i took off) and leaking coolant lol. but you couldn't kill the damned thing. i finnaly got enough cash to either get anew car of fix that one.... guess what i wish i hadn't done......  Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocketman hag, this isn't an endorsement, but I understand prototyping, market analysis, ROI, and process quality control. I usually wait until I have personally evaluated the performance of a product before I start publishing results. Some can do the same from watching a lot of youtube.
You folks out there shopping for something above the commercial Chinese e-cig (which seem to work just fine for thousands of people) group the mods you find into price/function categories before comparing apples and oranges.
A homemade plastic boxmod with NO bells and whistles, brought to market will be about $30. No batteries, no charger, just the box.
Make that simple mod out of metal (plumbing supplies) and the cost jumps to $50. Still no bells and whistles, no batteries.
Make it VV and it will be at least $100. One, because the market can bear that cost, and two it is costly to make in a low volume. What hourly rate would you do electronic assembly for? I do it for a dollar an hour
Kick up the bells and whistles, and the $100, metal, custom machined VV mod hits $125. add in batteries, charger, and $175 is a good system price.
Use the newest hype to describe your product and get a few extra bucks (until the latest new hype comes out). | If you build it and it sells then your doing ok, if it doesnt and there isn't anything wrong with the product then drop the price *shrug* basic marketing 
I tend to stick with things that do one thing and do it very well lol. I'm not a person who needs a toastoffyoven thingy
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09-01-2011, 06:55 PM
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#709 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Your Dreams
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Originally Posted by PantherLord there are days i wish i had my ugly as hell (it was pea soup green to boot) 1976 buick skyhawk still lol, had 500k miles on it when i bought it off my uncle in 95. i drove it another 150k before it started burning oil(had my own personal blackout cloud everytime i took off) and leaking coolant lol. but you couldn't kill the damned thing. i finnaly got enough cash to either get anew car of fix that one.... guess what i wish i hadn't done......
If you build it and it sells then your doing ok, if it doesnt and there isn't anything wrong with the product then drop the price *shrug* basic marketing
I tend to stick with things that do one thing and do it very well lol. I'm not a person who needs a toastoffyoven thingy | How many times have I sold cars and wished that I had kept them? Too many to count. I always drive cars until they exceed 200,000 miles. I then get scared of them and sell them, only to see them for years pimped up and pretty.
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09-01-2011, 10:03 PM
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#710 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by PantherLord there are days i wish i had my ugly as hell (it was pea soup green to boot) 1976 buick skyhawk still lol, had 500k miles on it when i bought it off my uncle in 95. i drove it another 150k before it started burning oil(had my own personal blackout cloud everytime i took off) and leaking coolant lol. but you couldn't kill the damned thing. i finnaly got enough cash to either get anew car of fix that one.... guess what i wish i hadn't done...... | I had a friend that had the "Monza" version of that...with the 350! 
It wasn't much to look at, but I buried the speedo in about 12 seconds or so, but then it was one of those stupid 85MPH nutjobs. I think we were doing about 125 or so.
BTW, now I don't feel so bad about some of my "babe magnets"!
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09-11-2011, 02:36 PM
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#711 | | waiting patiently... Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Everywhere, USA Full-time RV'er currently in West Columbia, Texas
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Originally Posted by Teri I'll try it, but won't it mess up the fit of the battery?
Edit: that works great..... Until I put a battery in and try to screw it down. Then the top just pops off. I don't get it. ;(
2nd edit: ok, so I pried the " flat" part back out a teeny bit. So far, great! I'll let you know.
THANKS STEAM! | Ok, said I'd let you know.... I'm still having the problem with the 14500 popping apart. It's fine with no battery in it. If i " flatten" one side of it anymore, it's going to tear up the wrapper on the battery. It's like there's not enough threads there to get the switch snug on the tube and hold it together. Maybe because the spring pushes up on the battery too hard?
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09-11-2011, 02:39 PM
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#712 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Teri Ok, said I'd let you know.... I'm still having the problem with the 14500 popping apart. It's fine with no battery in it. If i " flatten" one side of it anymore, it's going to tear up the wrapper on the battery. It's like there's not enough threads there to get the switch snug on the tube and hold it together. Maybe because the spring pushes up on the battery too hard? | My 14 670 is holding up well, it's the original 18650 that's doing that to me. I just snug it down, the threads catch and all is right with the world again!
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09-11-2011, 03:13 PM
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#713 | | waiting patiently... Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Everywhere, USA Full-time RV'er currently in West Columbia, Texas
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Originally Posted by Steampunk My 14670 is holding up well, it's the original 18650 that's doing that to me. I just snug it down, the threads catch and all is right with the world again! | I'm not having any issues at all with the 18650. It's wonderful!
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10-05-2011, 08:00 AM
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#714 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Your Dreams
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