990rick

I have a dse601 on order, but am having trouble finding a source of organic e juice (tobacco flavor) that I could use with this e pipe. Anybody have any suggestions? Thanks.

Steampunk

I saw it first, so OF COURSE I'm going to recommend Vt Vapor Tobacco. Best tobacco flavor I have tried yet.

Rose

Welcome Rick! A member named Dhileas mentions an organic tobacco in his posts, I believe. Good luck!

Dhileas: sorry, if I'm mistaken.

990rick

I'm visiting the Vermont Vapor site, but I don't see any organic juice there. I'm really hoping to find a good organic tobacco flavor juice. No fruity or candy or other flavors for me. I like tobacco's flavor.

990rick

How would I locate Dhileas' posts? I did a search using that user name and came up with nothing.

Steampunk

Go to "Members" to the right, look up under D and chase him down. Or, send him a private message.

40bikes

Send him a PM.

Also Rick vaperite.com sells organics

Steampunk

The Vt Vapor is a VG based juice with tobacco flavor from real tobacco. I don't know if it gets any more organic than that.

And, it TASTES like tobacco!

Rose

I would have suggested VV, but I didn't know it was organic. I think Dhileas specifically mentioned an organic juice. If he didn't, I guess I'm in a heap'a trouble and have sent poor Rick on a wild-goose-chase.

990rick

I emailed Rick at Vaperite and he said he doesn't have any pipe products. I'm not sure if that means he only sells juice in cartridges or what. Actually, I'm not sure how you refill cartridges. I am a total beginner at this. Making the move from an actual tobacco pipe. Or trying to anyway.

40bikes

There really is nothing like burning tobacco except burning tobacco.
If you are looking for a direct replacement there isn't one. I haven't smoked a pipe at all in over 30 yrs. so my experience with them isn't current. For cigarettes it took a couple of months to find out what my vaping tastes were. I just had to find what I liked.
As far as organic , I used to teach HS chemistry and organic means carbon based or(IMHO) an excuse to double the price for unsuspecting hippies. That too is personal taste. By the way vaperites organic kona creme is the best tasting juice I've vaped without qualification.

quasimod

I've never heard of any liquid made just for pipes, i'm pretty sure you can use them all.

Rose

I'm with you Quasi! I think they misunderstood what he was asking about!

990rick

Let me try to be a little clearer. I don't know anything. I have a dse601 e pipe and some extra empty cartridges on the way so I can see if this new nicotine delivery system can take the place of the tobacco pipe I currently smoke and enjoy. This is because of cancer concerns.

I figured the e liquid was the same for e cigarette, cigars and pipes, but I was under the impression that the juice for e cigarettes and cigars came in cartridges and, even if those cartridges would go in my pipe, I'd like to save money by refilling my own cartridges.

I may change my mind in the future as far as juices with chocolatey or coffee flavorings, but right now I want to try straight tobacco flavor. And, while I don't really want to get into a discussion about the definition of 'organic', I don't care if chlorinated hydrocarbons and other synthetic chemical substances fit some definition — I'd prefer not to ingest them. And if I can't avoid it completely, I'd like at least like to keep it to a minimum.

So I will follow up with Kat from Velvet Vapors and Rick from Vaperite, but in the meantime if anyone on this forum can help shorten my search under the above parameters I would really be glad for the help. And thanks to everyone who's pitching in here. It's very nice of all of you to take the trouble to share your knowledge.

Rose

I would suggest to only trust a web site that provides a telephone number. I am guilty of not doing that! I don't know if these suppliers provide a phone number, but here are a few that have good juice TO ME: Johnson Creek, Halo, Vapors etc. Refill your carts with their juice and you will be okay. Call or e-mail them before you buy.

berger

Isn't all juice made from organic chemistry?

Steampunk

I dunno. I'm not a chemist. What's Propylene Glycol? (Obviously some kind of sugar...)

berger

alcohol sugar derivative
what more could you want

990rick

Isn't proplyene glycol the same chemical that make automobile anti-freeze so sweet and so deadly poison? Anyway, as several makers go out of their way to advertise PG-Free juices I think I'll at least avoid anything with this in it.

One question about Vermont Vapor Tobacco, does it put out a goodly amount of 'smoke'? I have to admit that the visual aspect of regular pipe smoking is something I don't want to lose in e-smoking. (It's going to take me a while to get used to the term 'vaping')

quasimod

NO! It's the stuff they use to make the new anti-freeze that isn't poisonous. It vaporizes at a slightly lower temperature than VG, it's not as thick, and it doesn't put out as much vapor. Some small, single-digit percentage of people have an alergic-type reaction to it (lucky me, I'm special!). Most people do well with some mix of PG/VG in their juice, because PG gives more "throat hit", that harsh feeling that let's you feel the vapor you're inhaling. I don't know how it's made.

VG can be made from plants or animal fat. "kosher" generally indicates the vegetable origin, but it's hard to be sure without doing some research. They are chemically identical, but some people have religious taboos about ingesting anything derived from certain animals.

Steampunk

1. As long as you KNOW where your juice is coming from, not to fear. Propylene Glycol is in toothpaste, mouthwash, vanilla extract, and a LOT of things in your cupboard. If it's Food Grade, it's OK

2. Vt Vapor is VG (vegetable Glycerin) based, and hey, it's made in Vermont. I've been using their juice since I started. I LOVE the tobacco, and VG produces more 'smoke'.

Pg give you more 'throat hit' and is easier to vape (lighter consistency) so I go about 65% Vt Vapor VG with some PG mixed in. Vt Vapor says on their web site about the only time they add PG is when it comes from the flavorings. They steep their own tobacco 'tea' to get the tobacco extract.

If you go to the convenience store and ask the manager to look at the coffee flavorings (if they have one of those dispensers that drops flavoring into your coffee), you'll se that it's PG with "artificial and natural flavorings".

I hate to sound like a shill for Vt Vapor, but every flavor I have had tastes like what it says. The tobacco tastes like tobacco, the cherry tastes like cherry, the Mint taste like Mint, etc. And no perfumey aftertaste.

It has been noted it may be a little harsh on the atomizer, and I think on the pipe the atomizer is a pretty large purchase.

Steampunk

(psst...don't excite the chimp with the gun. He has a hairy trigger finger...)

quasimod

Yeah, like Steam said, you're already eating, drinking, and smearing PG on your skin just about every day. It's so ubiquitous, you would have trouble avoiding it.

People who eat reduced-sugar diets use VG as a sweetener, or to make cake icing nice and shiny, and it's the primary ingredient in a lot of skin moisturizers. If you ever ate a store-bought cake, you likely ate VG.

All-in-all, comparing the ingredients in e-liquid to the chemicals in tobacco smoke is like comparing chocolate to plutonium. The harm reduction has been estimated to be as much as 98%.

EDIT:

Oh, and don't be afraid to try non-flavored, as well. Some people prefer it.

40bikes

Now we're talking Rick. Here are the tobacco flavors I can immediately recall:
Camel, turkish, flue cured, winston, hilton,parliament,marlbro,555,rys( ry1-5 ),french pipe,virginia,TAB-DK Turkish American blend, lucky strike and at least a dozen others(not including menthols and sweet blends and cigar types.
You have to determine nicotine levels and taste.
I use a Camel with about 10% 555 or french pipe flavor.
ethylene glycol is antifreeze
Propylene glycol can be used to produce antifreeze in the lab but it is used in cosmetics and to make vampire movies creepy. Vegetable glycerin is used in the pharmacuetical, food and cosmetics industries

quasimod

PG is also used to make pills, gel-caps, and to suspend pharmicuticals that don't dissolve in water, so they can be injected with a syringe.

EDIT: If you get into it, you can do a lot of your own mixing. It's like chess: easy to learn, hard to master. I buy NOW brand 100% USP Kosher Vegetable Glycerin at my local hippy-food store, it's like $9 for a 16 oz. bottle (that's a LOT of VG!), or $40 for a gallon. A gallon is way more than I want to buy. Not the cheapest source, but it's there when I want it.