theAnonymous1

Hi all,

Nice forum you have here. I like the green.

So as the title says, I am new to nicotine. Say waaaaah? Yes, new to nictotine... as in, never smoked analogs of any kind.

I'm sure your asking, "then why do you vape?". My reply, why not? I'm an adult (29) who can make adult decisions, nicotine is a stimulent... 'nuff said.

I came across this (pastime? addiction? hobby?) by accident. Something about it just appealed to me, so I gave it a try. Needless to say, I like it...... a lot. I didn't do it just for myself though; I have family and friends who smoke, so I wanted to see if this is something I could sell (figuratively) to them.

Any other e-cig users here who were never analog smokers?

Regards,

tA1

Breakfree

Hmmmm, I have NEVER.....EVER.... met nor heard of anyone vaping eCigs who wasn't an analog smoker first. Doesn't make sense. The only ones that makes "sense" to are peeps who are FDA/Big Tobacco/Big Pharma grunts who are trying to get ammunition against eCigs. Nice try but no cigar. lol

theAnonymous1

Heh, I knew I would get some kind of semi-negative reply like this.

Is it fair though? What gives you the right to vape nicotine? Should I smoke analogs and become a tobacco addict first? Will I then have the right to use nicotine?

What made you start smoking analogs?

Am I not welcome here?

renderwerks

There is a difference between an adult decision and an intelligent adult decision. Example:

You know, crystal meth is a stimulant... 'nuff said.
Wait a minute, nicotine is more addictive than crystal meth; never mind.

theAnonymous1

OK, I see where this is going.

I guess if I wanted to be part of the crowd I shouldn't have put down that cigarette I tried when I was 14.

You people are pathetic.

BTW, cigarettes are more addictive than meth, not nicotine alone. Cigarettes contain MAOIs.

So long.

renderwerks

Don't get your panties in a wad. A spirited response would have been more appreciated.

You have every right to vape; however, just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. You're not addicted to nicotine, don't do it voluntarily.

We vape because we found a method which is several orders of magnitude safer than combusting tobacco. We're already addicted to the substance listed above #2- heroin and #3-cocaine. Look it up, educate yourself.

Didn't know about cigs having MAOI's, considering they have shown an efficacy in smoking cessation. Interesting.

Rick

Stehle

Your always welcome here.

Maybe your post put some members off balance is all.

I started smoking in 3rd grade... 40+ years later I wished I never made that decision. (Peer pressure perhaps.)

Now after 2 strokes in the last 10 years the doctors say, "Quit smoking or your going to die." I chose the former rather than the latter.

It was tough, e-cigs help. I am trying to cut down the nicotine mg strength on my day to day vape and eventually even give e-cigs up altogether.

I collect those e-cigs now... being addicted to something like nicotine causes strange behavior. (Perhaps as a reminder of what I went trough. Really don't know.)

Hey, your an adult, vape away! Nobody would stop you if they could.

I would do a bit more research though if I were you. At the very least perhaps how easy nicotine addiction becomes and some info on nicotine poisoning and its symptoms.

We that smoked analogs first already know the former, but if you vape e-cigs
you better learn about the latter. 'nuff said

Breakfree

This forum has been DOWN for exactly one hour and 8 minutes since the originator started this thread. It started soon after I posted my reply challenging the intimation one could possibly start vaping to get hooked on nicotine. I suggest the downtime was for damage control.

I've been a group host for many internet forums through the last 10 years, including Amnesty International and other human rights, prisoner advocacy, free speech groups and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that you are being played by this ANON person, take care what you state here as it WILL be used against you and the eCig movement. And whether you realize it or not, it IS a movement involving free speech and freedom to vape, or "they" wouldn't be taking it so seriously.

Also, if I should "disappear" off this forum be assured it had nothing to do with my leaving voluntarily as I have no intention of doing so, NONE.

VtVapor

Really, I can't see anything wrong with taking up vaping. Actually, had I not already been a smoker, I might have taken it up.

Now, before anyone lashes out in haste, I should clarify. I was recently (this year) diagnosed as having ADD (my reasoning skills are 99+ percentile while my processing and recall are 17th & 54th percentile). Nicotine is at least moderately effective in boosting recall and processing and is no doubt safer than meth(ylphenidate).

Besides, I support an individuals right to make their own decisions regarding what substances to consume.

Note: This is not at all influenced by the fact that I make & sell e-Liquid and think tA1 should give ours a try

Breakfree

ANON, You said, "You people are pathetic" WHAT possible justification could there be for you to have said such a thing? That is something said by someone who has no leg to stand on and has a hidden agenda, so therefore is feeling very threatened.

I am going to say it one more time forum members, be careful what you say here , it WILL be used against you and the eCig movement in regards to people being turned out to nicotine via eCigs.

Breakfree

ANON, You said, "You people are pathetic" WHAT possible justification could there be for you to have said such a thing? That is something said by someone who has no leg to stand on and has a hidden agenda, so therefore is feeling very threatened.

I am going to say it one more time forum members, be careful what you say here , it WILL be used against you and the eCig movement in regards to people being turned out to nicotine via eCigs.

Breakfree

VTVAPOR, Your view IS NOT what all the other responsible eCig suppliers advocate, YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR THEM!

theAnonymous1

I appologize for my comment, it was uncalled for. The obvious hypocrisy of some of the statements made actually did bunch my panties a bit.

Please read the quote below.

/END

Holy WOW. So first I'm a FDA grunt, and now I'm a cyber terrorist? Those are some pretty radical accusations man. I didn't know extreme paranoia was a side effect of nicotine use. Are you sure you aren't vaping something else?

I can assure you I am none of those things you are accusing me of. Truth be said, I am just a lowly Janitor that found something beside prescribed meds that seems to help with a mild anxiety disorder.

If you are trying to convince me that everyone who vapes nicotine does it merely to feed an addiction, and not at all because they actually like it; then I have to call BS. Sorry, but I am not that naive my friend.

I understand how sensitive the issue of vaping nicotine is right now, but trying to get anyone to believe that you all do it because you have to, and not because you get any pleasure out of it is pure nonsense. You can be certain that NOTHING you say or do on this forum will have ANY effect on the FDA's plans for e-cigs. This all comes downs to dollars and cents.

tA1

VtVapor

Never said I did... I am not part of an alien collective - when I speak, I speak for naught but myself.

And what's with all the yelling?

QFT

Rocketman

I am paranoid.
Vaping helps.

Breakfree

There's only one thing lower than an FDA grunt and that is an apologist who isn't even paid to be one. lol But yes you do make sounds of grunting in your posts, tho increasingly like a Big Tobacco grunt, not FDA. Big Tobacco grunts always focus on freedom to smoke for pleasure not addiction. You are insulting vapers intelligence by reducing them to pleasure seekers only instead of giving them credit for engaging in harm reduction from tobacco and the 4,000 other chemical additives.
If it was about pleasure only they could have kept on smoking those coffin nails.

Please do not speak ill of janitors who labor honestly in the workplace, there is nothing "lowly" about them. If you think of yourself as "lowly" you speak only of yourself not janitors in general.

Lazarus

The thread topic threw me off.

Not sure you will find anyone here with similar experience.

My first response would be: this is not a good place to start you nicotine habit. PV's are not like smoking tobacco; pull one out, light it up, and smoke away. PV's require maintenance to keep them operating properly and also require patience to keep them charged and filled with liquid.

If you want to start vaping just to try it, I suggest you stick to the 0 (zero) nicotine juice. You can then decide if it is worth it just to say you use e-cigarettes with no danger of becoming addicted.

Most of us here, I think, will tell you that we put up with these things only because they keep us off of analogs, not because they are "Cool" or we wanted to start using nicotine.

I smoked for 42 years and and tried to quit with every cessation product out there. The e-cigarette is the only thing that has effectively kept me away from smoking.

So my advice would be the same I gave my kids about smoking - stay away from it with all your might, nicotine ain't cool or pretty.

drdave

Lazarus,
Addiction is not cool OR pretty? Man, I wish you would have told me 20years ago when I started smoking. Next thing you'll be telling me heroin sheik is never coming back.

theAnonymous1

I believe I was speaking about myself. I didn't make the statement as a generalization of the profession. If I want to think of my position in the workforce as lowly, then so be it.

Anyway, your delusions are obviously stronger than any convincing I can do.

Yes, I see that now and regret making this thread. I should have just blended into the forum disguised as an ex-smoker. I guess curiosity and honesty don't go well together.

I'm very well aware of how a PV works and how to take care of one; I have been doing it for over a month now. Technical things are no chore for me, I spend much of my free time with technical hobbies. Below is a link to a forum I am a member of which should help dispel any ludicrous theories about my motives here and show I'm no idiot when it comes to "technical devices".

diyAudio Forums - View Profile

I don't know if it's even worth mentioning at this point, but I vape 11mg clove. I've always loved the smell of other people smoking Djarums.

tA1

godling

Wow, I shouldn't have gone to bed early last night!

Welcome to the forums Anon1, it's good to have you here ... especially if you continue to keep people posting. It's good for everyone to be exposed to different points of views, including you.

I know a couple people who started vaping who have never smoked. I know a couple more who were successful ex-smokers who picked up an eCig. Many people find the act of smoking a pleasurable habit, and eCigs allow the opportunity to do so without many of the harmful aspects of traditional cigarettes.

Like others here, I wonder about the logic in your decision to vape nicotine rather than a 0mg juice. However, it is your decision. I just hope you've thought it through enough to know what you've decided.

What strength eJuice do you vape? How often? Please keep us updated about your experience.

smokin joe

I'm not saying you shouldn't vape but what will you do for nicotine when your equip breaks or is outlawed?

Rocketman

tA1,
I hope you don't become the new FDA poster child that develops some new type of disease that they can blame on e-cigs. Please stay healthy.
R

TheRealZero

Choosing to start vaping is no different than choosing to start smoking. Every smoker I've ever met told me to not start, worse decision, you'll regret it, and many more wonderful cliché hallow warnings. I'm glad to hear you started on the safer side of the nicotine kick rather than working you're way down from the top of that burning building. Lots of people start with chew or similar products, sometimes smoking just doesn't appeal to certain people but nicotine does.

PS Congratulations on starting such a lively debate with your very first post.

Stehle

Wow... I feel left out of all the quoting!

Great posts here though, both sides of the coin.

(Btw... I'm a paranoid poster child where do I go to sign up Rocket?)

theAnonymous1

I have thought it through, after much reading and pondering. I use it to relax when I'm feeling a bit anxious. I really don't like the traditional "remedies" for this like dope/alcohol/meds.

In my previous post I mentioned I like 11mg clove juice.

I know a lot of you will think "yeah right" when you read this, but addiction is the last thing I worry about. I don't have an addictive personality and have never had any kind of addiction problems. I have no doubt that if and when i want to stop, I can.

Unfortuneatly, I think we all know there is a very high chance this stuff won't be around long enough for that to even happen.

I should be clear I am not advocating nic use on the whole, this is just something I have decided is an alternative to others substances that have downsides of their own. I understand nic is a poison, but I also think with moderate use there is really little danger (besides addiction) for a healthy adult that uses it.

For those of you concerned that "pleasure users" like myself will give a bad rep to these devices and nic juice, let me just echo something I said earlier. The FDA doesn't care about why you use these devices, they only care that you are using them. Any device or substance that takes money away from BT or BP is going to get the same reaction from them. They want your money, and they will do anything in their power to keep getting it from you.

If you memebers as a collective are paranoid about the content of this thread, then by all means feel free to have it deleted. I won't bring up the topic again.

tA1