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02-01-2012, 11:35 PM
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#51 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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Originally Posted by Teri  Hmmm.... I wonder if Mikie gets an email every time somebody posts in a thread he started.  | Should  | 
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02-02-2012, 11:12 AM
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#52 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by Teri Hmmm.... I wonder if Mikie gets an email every time somebody posts in a thread he started. | Did somebody call my name?  | |
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02-02-2012, 11:25 AM
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#53 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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Originally Posted by LeCig Did somebody call my name? | You do, You do! | |
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02-02-2012, 11:38 AM
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#54 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by RY4 You do, You do! | I'd never be able to keep up if I didn't 
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02-02-2012, 10:24 PM
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#55 | | You Know You Want It... Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: North Texas
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Originally Posted by Pit Vaper All I know is, I usually won't pay more than $15 for 30ml unless it comes HIGHLY recommended by reputable people that I discuss with. | Dang skippy there, Pit. I pay high prices (16.50 per 30ml) 'cause I like the
product(BWB).
Someday soon, I'm gonna enter the DIY zone.
But for now, it's still a lot cheaper than buying cartons of cigs from the
Indian smokeshop across the river.
Maybe the wizard could steer me in the right direction... | |
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02-11-2012, 05:36 PM
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#56 | | Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: PA
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Originally Posted by LeCig It is in the works currently. When it will take place I dunno for sure, but it is not far off from what I understand. As a member of the TVECA, we are complying with the rules, and this rule was set as a forecast. Hence our decision to dump 50s stock before the new changes take effect, most likely next year. We've also started labeling all of our juice bottles with ingredients, nic by vol, and warning labels.
Oh and Pit, 30ml or less is the allowed sizes. Anything above will be bulk and not for retail. | Rule set by whom, TVECA?
I've heard nothing at all about this rule before and I somewhat follow what the FDA is up to. | |
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03-03-2012, 11:39 PM
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#57 | | It's in the juice man!!! Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New Jersey
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03-05-2012, 08:59 AM
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#58 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by prax Rule set by whom, TVECA?
I've heard nothing at all about this rule before and I somewhat follow what the FDA is up to. | After consulting with them, yes this is the standard sizes everyone has agreed too. | |
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03-05-2012, 09:03 AM
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#59 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by mke67 | Thanks! This helps sum it up. We are still @ 9.99 with free shipping so I guess we are at the low end of the totem pole. Our Dekang juice fits in the middle.
Very helpful, thanks again!
(Maybe Phil could add us to the chart?) | |
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03-05-2012, 10:31 AM
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#60 | | It's in the juice man!!! Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by LeCig Thanks! This helps sum it up. We are still @ 9.99 with free shipping so I guess we are at the low end of the totem pole. Our Dekang juice fits in the middle.
Very helpful, thanks again!
(Maybe Phil could add us to the chart?) | Send him some juice to review...Shoot him an email. He is quite nice. | |
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03-05-2012, 10:51 AM
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#61 | | VAPINsinc89! Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Minnesnowta
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Originally Posted by mke67 Send him some juice to review...Shoot him an email. He is quite nice. | ...hmmmm
...is that YOU Phil???  lol
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03-05-2012, 10:52 AM
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#62 | | VAPINsinc89! Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Minnesnowta
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| WyldRice is quite nice also.... Shoot HIM some juice too!
He'll review it for you!
He'll even make you a chart! | |
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03-05-2012, 10:58 AM
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#63 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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03-05-2012, 11:06 AM
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#64 | | It's in the juice man!!! Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: New Jersey
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Originally Posted by WyldRice ...hmmmm
...is that YOU Phil??? lol |
No, it's not Phil, but I too would do a stellar review if shot some jui....errr, that does not sound right. | |
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03-05-2012, 11:27 AM
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#65 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by mke67 Send him some juice to review...Shoot him an email. He is quite nice. | Will do, I think he might have wrote me in the past ... buried in emails these days! | |
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03-05-2012, 08:47 PM
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#66 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Your Dreams
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Originally Posted by mke67 No, it's not Phil, but I too would do a stellar review if shot some jui....errr, that does not sound right. | No, that didn't sound quite right..... | |
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03-09-2012, 06:48 PM
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#67 | | Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: PA
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Originally Posted by LeCig After consulting with them, yes this is the standard sizes everyone has agreed too. | I still don't quite understand what you are saying... Can you explain using words like TVECA or FDA rather than "them"?
The FDA has no authority to limit bottle sizes to 30ml. If TVECA is suggesting people do that well, I don't know, it is just anti-consumer and a bad idea. It's like how bars in my state don't let you buy more than 2 6-packs at once, so you have to go dump it in your car and come back. | |
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03-10-2012, 10:35 AM
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#68 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by prax I still don't quite understand what you are saying... Can you explain using words like TVECA or FDA rather than "them"?
The FDA has no authority to limit bottle sizes to 30ml. If TVECA is suggesting people do that well, I don't know, it is just anti-consumer and a bad idea. It's like how bars in my state don't let you buy more than 2 6-packs at once, so you have to go dump it in your car and come back. | When I say them, I mean the FDA. Now to make it clear, you don't have a minimum you can buy like your 2 6pack example, you can buy 10 30ml if you wanted too, there is no limit that I know of that has been discussed.
The FDA has authority. Ecigs since April 2011 are an unregulated tobacco product and soon to be a regulated product.
The way I see it is, we can all sit back and let the FDA run rampent or we can have groups like the TVECA negotiate with the FDA and come up with a plan that allows ecigs to continue to be sold. I guess your not aware of the TVECA and how hard we have fought to keep ecigs "legal" in this country and the EU. | |
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03-10-2012, 10:46 AM
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#69 | | Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: PA
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Originally Posted by LeCig When I say them, I mean the FDA. Now to make it clear, you don't have a minimum you can buy like your 2 6pack example, you can buy 10 30ml if you wanted too, there is no limit that I know of that has been discussed.
The FDA has authority. Ecigs since April 2011 are an unregulated tobacco product and soon to be a regulated product.
The way I see it is, we can all sit back and let the FDA run rampent or we can have groups like the TVECA negotiate with the FDA and come up with a plan that allows ecigs to continue to be sold. I guess your not aware of the TVECA and how hard we have fought to keep ecigs "legal" in this country and the EU. | It still makes no sense.... What sentence is what you are saying...?
"The TVECA consulted with the FDA and the FDA told TVECA that they plan to implement a 30ml bottle size limit (for ____ reason, with ____ justification)"?
The FDA has still not deemed ecigs under Title IX, so to say they have authority is wrong at this point. (At least how I understand it...) They can only interfere when we are making health claims or saying ecigs are cessation devices... (of course they overstep this and keep seizing shipments from China)
You can say X group fights hard, but the FDA is steamrolling activist groups. The ANTZ, BT, BP lobbies just have way more money, not your fault.
I don't see the reasoning behind limiting people to buy 10x 30ml bottles and not letting them buy a 30ml bottle. It's just a stupid rule no matter who came up with it and until you provide proof the FDA has anything to do with it, and it is not just some TVECA rule, I don't believe you. | |
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03-10-2012, 10:59 AM
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03-10-2012, 11:02 AM
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03-10-2012, 11:13 AM
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#72 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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03-10-2012, 11:18 AM
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#73 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by prax It still makes no sense.... What sentence is what you are saying...?
"The TVECA consulted with the FDA and the FDA told TVECA that they plan to implement a 30ml bottle size limit (for ____ reason, with ____ justification)"?
The FDA has still not deemed ecigs under Title IX, so to say they have authority is wrong at this point. (At least how I understand it...) They can only interfere when we are making health claims or saying ecigs are cessation devices... (of course they overstep this and keep seizing shipments from China)
You can say X group fights hard, but the FDA is steamrolling activist groups. The ANTZ, BT, BP lobbies just have way more money, not your fault.
I don't see the reasoning behind limiting people to buy 10x 30ml bottles and not letting them buy a 30ml bottle. It's just a stupid rule no matter who came up with it and until you provide proof the FDA has anything to do with it, and it is not just some TVECA rule, I don't believe you. | Well you asked, I answered. I don't have to share our trade association's info with you, so if you believe me or not I don't care. This is what we've discussed in our meetings so far ...
Of course they are steamrolling every group! Why do you think the TVECA was started? It was the founding members that kept ecigs legal so far ... we're not going to let the tobacco lobbyists take us down, savvy?
When you buy your six pack of beer notice how they cans/bottles come in 12/16oz bottles, etc? Why? Its called a standard. That standard is going to come about for ecig juice to, its called regulation and it will come to this industry just like any other. We are still in the infant stages of ecigs. Just like you can buy a keg, you can still buy large amounts, who-how-where still remains to be set in stone.
We're not the enemy, we're on the side of the consumers, suppliers and manufacturers. I've made this as clear as I can, don't shoot the messenger, or the people that actually give a damn about this industry.
One more note, if you researched who we are, who we are associated with, then the word "them" would be crystal clear. | |
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03-10-2012, 11:28 AM
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#74 | | waiting patiently... Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Everywhere, USA Full-time RV'er currently in West Columbia, Texas
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Originally Posted by LeCig Well you asked, I answered. I don't have to share our trade association's info with you, so if you believe me or not I don't care. This is what we've discussed in our meetings so far ...
Of course they are steamrolling every group! Why do you think the TVECA was started? It was the founding members that kept ecigs legal so far ... we're not going to let the tobacco lobbyists take us down, savvy?
When you buy your six pack of beer notice how they cans/bottles come in 12/16oz bottles, etc? Why? Its called a standard. That standard is going to come about for ecig juice to, its called regulation and it will come to this industry just like any other. We are still in the infant stages of ecigs. Just like you can buy a keg, you can still buy large amounts, who-how-where still remains to be set in stone.
We're not the enemy, we're on the side of the consumers, suppliers and manufacturers. I've made this as clear as I can, don't shoot the messenger, or the people that actually give a damn about this industry.
One more note, if you researched who we are, who we are associated with, then the word "them" would be crystal clear. | We love you, Mikie! And more than that we know that you're doing your best to look after us on this front and not chasing around making uncalled for accusations and statements.
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03-10-2012, 11:30 AM
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#75 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by Teri We love you, Mikie! And more than that we know that you're doing your best to look after us on this front and not chasing around making uncalled for accusations and statements. | Thanks Teri It's amazing to me after being attacked from all angles, a consumer would jump on the band wagon and start throwing rocks | |
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