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Anybody else get this blow-off response from the White House regarding the petition we all signed?
Here is what they sent me:

Protecting Public Health Through Safe and Effective TreatmentsBy Dr. Lawrence R. Deyton, M.S.P.H, M.D., Director of the Center for Tobacco Products at the FDA.
Thank you for signing the petition "Recognize electronic cigarettes as an effective alternative to smoking and support job creation in this new industry."
E-cigarettes may contain ingredients that are known to be toxic to humans or otherwise harm public health -- for example, if they are attractive to young people and lead kids to try other tobacco products, including conventional cigarettes, which are known to cause disease and lead to premature death. Because clinical studies of these products have not been submitted to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), consumers currently have no way of knowing what types or concentrations of potentially harmful chemicals are found in these products, or how much nicotine people inhale when they use these products.
FDA is taking steps, as authorized by the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act, to include electronic cigarettes under the agency's regulatory authority.
However, in light of the lack of validated scientific data, including a lack of reliable indicators of nicotine and harmful chemical content, FDA cannot at this time conclude that electronic cigarettes are an effective alternative to smoking.
Make no mistake, the Obama Administration shares your concern about the public health risks associated with cigarette smoking and is committed to helping Americans quit. Cigarette smoking poses a serious public health risk to our Nation, accounting for about one-third of all cancers, including 90 percent of lung cancer cases. On average, adults who smoke die 14 years earlier than nonsmokers. Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at home or work increase their risk of developing heart disease by 25 to 30 percent and lung cancer by 20 to 30 percent. A 35-year-old man who quits smoking will, on average, increase his life expectancy by 5 years.
As someone who is clearly engaged on this issue, we also want to make sure you know about the Great American Smokeout, the American Cancer Society's nationwide campaign to encourage smokers to make a plan to quit. Watch a special video from President Obama and learn more about it here:

They also have a big thread going on about the FDA's meeting in January and it looks like they are going to ban e cigs and all related products

ibecruizin

I received the same blow-off...its such a shame that information can be so twisted and our basic human rights to truthful information can be denied in this day and age. I am so upset and feel so helpless. I have signed every petition and written to every one of my representatives and this is what we get...a kick in the teeth by Miss Information and the backing of the FDA's witch hunt to protect deadly cigarettes from reduced risk alternatives to smoking tobacco.

Shekinahsgroom

Go ahead and ban them....

Do any of you honestly believe that we'll stop vaping now that we have the knowledge on how to make them ourselves?

Not to mention how impossible it would be for customs to scan small packages for imported nic-liquid if its not marked as such. Or the fact that there are local sources for juice...

Dunno what you're all so worried about.

Now if they start banning lithium batteries, well....then there's something to worry about man!!

Steampunk

Nah...http://www.ti.com/product/pth08080w

http://www.vaporkings.com/DSE801-DSE...v-car-cord.htm

Shekinahsgroom

I knew that was coming.....

And for the noobs, what Steam is trying to say is that even IF lithium batteries were banned here, you could build a VV mod out of DC cigarette lighter adapter and use your 12V car battery to power it.

So there's nothing to worry about people....

If a ban comes down, those if us that have the knowledge will share it so no person will EVER have to go back to analogs again!!

gwp

Its not lack of equipment because that can be made. Flavorings, PG, VG will still be able to get. But nic will be harder to come by. And you worry about quality now. I can just see it now. Big nic cartels.

tek

Well i am working my way down, and no, they cant ban liquid nic, just make it harder to get, but there are allways ways..

quasimod

If our Masters decide we shouldn't vape, wouldn't it just be easier to stop? I mean, we don't want to anger our Dear Rulers, do we?

Vote Ron Paul.

Pit Vaper

You mean this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQlbesF0zA

quasimod

No, but even THAT guy makes more sense than the loons he's running against, LOL!

Pit Vaper

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tek

i had to sub blp, that was good.

quasimod

+1, LOL

RY4

Time to break out my mafia suit and hat

quasimod

Alcohol prohibition gave us the Mafia, Drug Prohibition gave us the Cartels... wonder what they will call us..?

xgregx

Vapor vigilantes?

tek

They like one word names, so taking yours, Vagilantes..

xgregx

I dunno.....along the same line of thinking, that might be too many syllables.... Mafia.....Cartels...Occupiers....they will think of something

tek

Vagilantes does sound fem dont it..

xgregx

It sounds like a feminine hygiene product

DevonMoonshire

Yes, anyone wo signed the petition got that response. Here is my Response to it:


Greetings;

Okay, this is obviously a mass letter. I know this because those of us who signed that petition are not random people. The Community that has embraced these devices is a highly cohesive Community of Citizens from all over the world. I myself am in the U.S. Military and This letter talks down to me as if I am completely unaware of the harmful effects of tobacco use. I do know the harmful effects of tobacco use and that is the very reason I sought to cease using it. I also KNOW for a Fact that my Health has drastically improved since I began using the Electronic Cigarette. I did not come to the decision to switch to these lightly. I also used every other option available to me through the Navy Smoking Cessation Program, to include Chantix, The Patch, cold turkey with a support group. I have also tried using the gum on my own dime, the lozenges and the FDA Approved "Nicotine Inhaler. All of these failed for me.

I want this next statement to be Not Only Heard, but replied to by a representative who is NOT some Politician: The letter we all received is not only Insulting, but it completely side steps the issue at hand. The FACT is electronic Nicotine Inhalers ARE NOT TOBACCO. The FDA Has repeatedly approved lethal drugs due to sped up testing that was not only incomplete and no where near thorough but it was done this way because the Pharmaceutical Industry Pays the FDA Billions of Dollars every year to push through the drugs that they create. We as a Group believe that this funding is the very reason that the FDA refuses to adequately run a FAIR test on the effects of electronic nicotine inhalers. The reason they refuse to test them fairly is because they stand to lose Billions every year because these devices have been proven to work in the general population.

My Personal Physician Graciously Indorses my use of these devices because She Has Seen The Improvements In My Health. It is Documented in my Medical Record.


As a user of these devices I Strongly support Forcing the FDA to test them fairly in reference to their safety and their effectiveness. That does not mean researching and locating the most Untrustworthy Companies and test their devices. Conduct a poll in the existing community and find the most used devices and liquids that are actually used by us.

Please do not think that we as a community do not communicate because millions of us do communicate, congregate at events and associate online and in person. So when a Form letter is sent in response to a valid concern, it is discussed as well as taken as an insult to our intelligence.

Very Respectfully;
Nathaniel Harris

Pit Vaper

I'll build my own nic distillation still, I'll be a "NicShiner" next to all the "MoonShiners" around these here parts...

Pit Vaper

That site cracks me up, wait 'til you watch the rest...LOL "Save a pretzel for the gas jets" blahahaha

Pit Vaper

berger

Very Nice Nate..damn well said..