Originally Posted by DevonMoonshire

Yes, anyone wo signed the petition got that response. Here is my Response to it:


Greetings;

Okay, this is obviously a mass letter. I know this because those of us who signed that petition are not random people. The Community that has embraced these devices is a highly cohesive Community of Citizens from all over the world. I myself am in the U.S. Military and This letter talks down to me as if I am completely unaware of the harmful effects of tobacco use. I do know the harmful effects of tobacco use and that is the very reason I sought to cease using it. I also KNOW for a Fact that my Health has drastically improved since I began using the Electronic Cigarette. I did not come to the decision to switch to these lightly. I also used every other option available to me through the Navy Smoking Cessation Program, to include Chantix, The Patch, cold turkey with a support group. I have also tried using the gum on my own dime, the lozenges and the FDA Approved "Nicotine Inhaler. All of these failed for me.

I want this next statement to be Not Only Heard, but replied to by a representative who is NOT some Politician: The letter we all received is not only Insulting, but it completely side steps the issue at hand. The FACT is electronic Nicotine Inhalers ARE NOT TOBACCO. The FDA Has repeatedly approved lethal drugs due to sped up testing that was not only incomplete and no where near thorough but it was done this way because the Pharmaceutical Industry Pays the FDA Billions of Dollars every year to push through the drugs that they create. We as a Group believe that this funding is the very reason that the FDA refuses to adequately run a FAIR test on the effects of electronic nicotine inhalers. The reason they refuse to test them fairly is because they stand to lose Billions every year because these devices have been proven to work in the general population.

My Personal Physician Graciously Indorses my use of these devices because She Has Seen The Improvements In My Health. It is Documented in my Medical Record.


As a user of these devices I Strongly support Forcing the FDA to test them fairly in reference to their safety and their effectiveness. That does not mean researching and locating the most Untrustworthy Companies and test their devices. Conduct a poll in the existing community and find the most used devices and liquids that are actually used by us.

Please do not think that we as a community do not communicate because millions of us do communicate, congregate at events and associate online and in person. So when a Form letter is sent in response to a valid concern, it is discussed as well as taken as an insult to our intelligence.

Very Respectfully;
Nathaniel Harris

Originally Posted by xgregx

It sounds like a feminine hygiene product

Originally Posted by mrwizard

Devon always brings it, and never backs down from a fight.
I'm proud he's one of our boys.

Very nice response, Nathan.
Well said, and well thought out.

To echo the sentiments here as well as repeat the replies I've given to a few PM's and emails, the government cannot stop us from vaping.
At the most they can enact regulations that restrict online sales.
This will not affect any of us, but will leave new potential vapers at the mercy of mall kiosks and truck stops.

We, the vaping community, already have an enormous support network.
In the worst case scenario, online sales from retail websites will not be available to us, but private forum sales will skyrocket.
Domestic online retailers will adapt their business to any new regulations.
Foreign online retailers won't need to change anything.
Electronic devices, batteries, and accessories will always be available in one form or another.
Legal chemicals and extracts will always be available from legitimate, FDA registered, US based lab supply and chemical supply companies like Sigma Aldrich or Wizard Labs.
/shameless plug
Food flavorings will always be available online or at your local WalMart.

All Chinese products will always be available.
They will ship anything with any kind of labeling necessary to reach it's destination and make a profit.
No matter what regulations the government imposes on the "Ecig" industry, current vapers will not suffer.
A few vendors may try to take advantage of any new regulations to price gouge, but most will continue with business as usual using a high-risk offshore merchant account unaffected by US regulations.

The long and the short of it is don't panic.
Speak up and let congress know how you feel and how you will vote with both your ballot and your dollars, but don't go thinking this is the vaping Apocalypse and build a bomb shelter for 30+ years worth of nic.

No matter what they throw at us, we've grown too big... too connected.
We ain't goin' nowhere.

If I was Devon, I'd ask for a "Hell Yeah!" right about now.

Originally Posted by Steampunk

I got a response from Kerry and Brown....Summed up in one word:

"Duh..."

Originally Posted by Pit Vaper

I have written to my Senators as well on these issues and got the same canned responses...makes me sick

Originally Posted by RY4

Time to break out my mafia suit and hat

Originally Posted by mrwizard

Devon always brings it, and never backs down from a fight.
I'm proud he's one of our boys.

Very nice response, Nathan.
Well said, and well thought out.

To echo the sentiments here as well as repeat the replies I've given to a few PM's and emails, the government cannot stop us from vaping.
At the most they can enact regulations that restrict online sales.
This will not affect any of us, but will leave new potential vapers at the mercy of mall kiosks and truck stops.

We, the vaping community, already have an enormous support network.
In the worst case scenario, online sales from retail websites will not be available to us, but private forum sales will skyrocket.
Domestic online retailers will adapt their business to any new regulations.
Foreign online retailers won't need to change anything.
Electronic devices, batteries, and accessories will always be available in one form or another.
Legal chemicals and extracts will always be available from legitimate, FDA registered, US based lab supply and chemical supply companies like Sigma Aldrich or Wizard Labs.
/shameless plug
Food flavorings will always be available online or at your local WalMart.

All Chinese products will always be available.
They will ship anything with any kind of labeling necessary to reach it's destination and make a profit.
No matter what regulations the government imposes on the "Ecig" industry, current vapers will not suffer.
A few vendors may try to take advantage of any new regulations to price gouge, but most will continue with business as usual using a high-risk offshore merchant account unaffected by US regulations.

The long and the short of it is don't panic.
Speak up and let congress know how you feel and how you will vote with both your ballot and your dollars, but don't go thinking this is the vaping Apocalypse and build a bomb shelter for 30+ years worth of nic.

No matter what they throw at us, we've grown too big... too connected.
We ain't goin' nowhere.

If I was Devon, I'd ask for a "Hell Yeah!" right about now.

Originally Posted by quasimod

If our Masters decide we shouldn't vape, wouldn't it just be easier to stop? I mean, we don't want to anger our Dear Rulers, do we?

Vote Ron Paul.

Originally Posted by Pit Vaper

You mean this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igQlbesF0zA

Originally Posted by DevonMoonshire

Thank you all very very much for the kind words. I truly believe that if enough people, (Enough meaning literally hundreds of thousands to millions), of people speak up and directly write their government officials then they will have no choice but to listen and head our words. These devices are not tobacco, however they have been grouped very fast with tobacco in a biased opinionated farce of a quick legislation so that they could rapidly tax them as such. This is Wrong and it must be reversed.


RY4 Hit the Nail right on the head. I never have and never will back down from a fight. Especially if it is a Fight I truly believe in. I may be 6 foot tall and 217 pounds but I have the fighting heart of a Chihuahua !!!!! The Fiercest Dog I have ever seen in my life based purely on fierceness to size ratio

Originally Posted by MystMasters

This was my initial response to the email . . .

Dear corrupt government,

First. If you actually cared about harmful ingredients, there would be a list of ingredients available for traditional tobacco cigarettes. I can currently get an exact chemical makeup of nicotine liquid used in electronic cigarettes. I can then cross reference each ingredient to the FDA website and confirm that it is indeed 'safe' for human consumption. We will never be able to get this from tobacco companies because of the thousands of additional chemicals they apply to the production process of cigarettes. And of course they all donate to the corruption that IS Washington DC.

Secondly, if you actually cared about what kids are 'attracted' to, our children would still be saying the pledge in school. It is clear in the choices that the Obama administration has made along with previous administrations, you care nothing about the people you "represent". You care only about control, how you can regulate and how you can tax a particular good or service.

Third, I understand the HUGE impact of the overwhelming success of the electronic cigarette and the result on tobacco and pharmaceutical companies. This is where capitalism comes in my friend. Just because these big corps got sucker punched by a Chinese product doesn't mean they have to go cry to mommy. How about they get in the game and compete. But how can they compete with the pricing when they have to pay off all the politicians along the way . . . oh no, big problem now. Oh and not to mention the fact that due to all the regulations in manufacturing it would be next to impossible to implement a plan to compete. By the time the plan would be in place, everyone will be off to another new thing.

Finally, please remove me from your mailing list.