"Made" a nice tobacco liquid

renderwerks · 09-29-2009, 02:54 PM

Hello all-

Sorry I've been so absent lately - photography, and most recently some health issues have kept me away.

Anywho... I came up with a nice mix for those of you that like tobacco flavors.

I purchased some juice from Smoke Helios a while back. Included was a couple bottles of French Pipe. Great taste, but waay too strong tasting for me.

I have some PG based 48mg/ml, some VG and some 151 Everclear.

I made some 24mg/ml unflavored stock by first mixing:

80%VG with 20% Everclear to get the proper viscosity of no-nic liquid.

I then made a 50/50 mix of the above no-nic liquid and my 48mg/ml liquid. This gave me an unflavored 24mg/ml liquid that is 50% PG, 40% VG and 10% Everclear.

So, I mixed:

45% French Pipe (24mg/ml)
45% of my unflavored (24mg/ml)
10% of Capella Cool Mint flavoring

This works out to 21.6mg/ml and makes loads of vapor, nice throat hit, and (for me) just the right amount of rich tobacco flavor with just a hint of mint (not menthol) when drawing it into the lungs.

I decided to do this when JC changed their recipe and I discovered (after buying 300ml!) that I no longer liked their Tennessee Cured. Luckily, they have a no questions asked 60 day return policy...

damunster · 09-29-2009, 03:02 PM

That sounds like a good mix. I to have some French Pipe that has a very strong taste. I am not sure I can find Everclear in Phoenix but going to go look.

PUFFDADDY · 09-29-2009, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by damunster

That sounds like a good mix. I to have some French Pipe that has a very strong taste. I am not sure I can find Everclear in Phoenix but going to go look.

You can get it at Circle K in the small bottles, I traveled to PHX lastmonth and found that out lol....

sweett4rt · 09-29-2009, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by renderwerks

Hello all-

Sorry I've been so absent lately - photography, and most recently some health issues have kept me away.

Anywho... I came up with a nice mix for those of you that like tobacco flavors.

I purchased some juice from Smoke Helios a while back. Included was a couple bottles of French Pipe. Great taste, but waay too strong tasting for me.

I have some PG based 48mg/ml, some VG and some 151 Everclear.

I made some 24mg/ml unflavored stock by first mixing:

80%VG with 20% Everclear to get the proper viscosity of no-nic liquid.

I then made a 50/50 mix of the above no-nic liquid and my 48mg/ml liquid. This gave me an unflavored 24mg/ml liquid that is 50% PG, 40% VG and 10% Everclear.

So, I mixed:

45% French Pipe (24mg/ml)
45% of my unflavored (24mg/ml)
10% of Capella Cool Mint flavoring

This works out to 21.6mg/ml and makes loads of vapor, nice throat hit, and (for me) just the right amount of rich tobacco flavor with just a hint of mint (not menthol) when drawing it into the lungs.

I decided to do this when JC changed their recipe and I discovered (after buying 300ml!) that I no longer liked their Tennessee Cured. Luckily, they have a no questions asked 60 day return policy...

If the atomizer gets hot can't the everclear catch on fire? Anyways I read to use distilled water to cut the thickness not alcohol

sweett4rt · 09-29-2009, 03:42 PM

Both PG and VG are water soluble.

nebraskapuffer · 09-29-2009, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by renderwerks

Hello all-

Sorry I've been so absent lately - photography, and most recently some health issues have kept me away.

Anywho... I came up with a nice mix for those of you that like tobacco flavors.

I purchased some juice from Smoke Helios a while back. Included was a couple bottles of French Pipe. Great taste, but waay too strong tasting for me.

I have some PG based 48mg/ml, some VG and some 151 Everclear.

I made some 24mg/ml unflavored stock by first mixing:

80%VG with 20% Everclear to get the proper viscosity of no-nic liquid.

I then made a 50/50 mix of the above no-nic liquid and my 48mg/ml liquid. This gave me an unflavored 24mg/ml liquid that is 50% PG, 40% VG and 10% Everclear.

So, I mixed:

45% French Pipe (24mg/ml)
45% of my unflavored (24mg/ml)
10% of Capella Cool Mint flavoring

This works out to 21.6mg/ml and makes loads of vapor, nice throat hit, and (for me) just the right amount of rich tobacco flavor with just a hint of mint (not menthol) when drawing it into the lungs.

I decided to do this when JC changed their recipe and I discovered (after buying 300ml!) that I no longer liked their Tennessee Cured. Luckily, they have a no questions asked 60 day return policy...

Hey Rick, I haven't logged onto the forum in about a month of Sundays. Thats an interesting recipe you've got there but........health issues? I hope your Ok now man. Take care the people need you!

Rocketman · 09-29-2009, 04:32 PM

HEY Welcome back

Hope all is well with you.

Rocket

damunster · 09-29-2009, 05:34 PM

Thanks Puff, I guess I will be heading to Circle K.

Lazarus · 09-29-2009, 08:16 PM

Good to hear from you Rick. Sounds like a nice mix. I'm not crazy about the idea of mint in my tobacco e-juice, but I might try it with some other flavorings.

I hope you are feeling better.

Laz

damunster · 09-30-2009, 09:47 PM

I would like to find out how to make my own tobacco liquid. I just don't know where to get the tobacco flavor. I did get some from Eliquid Flavoring but it wasn't what I was looking for. Does anyone know how/where to get the tobacco flavor from??

renderwerks · 09-30-2009, 10:36 PM

Thanks for the replies.

As Adam at Vermont Vapor said: "Alcohol is your friend". And they make some very good liquid.

Ethanol has natural anti-microbial qualities. We don't want our home brew growing "science experiments" as most of us don't mix in Class III cleanrooms on laminar flow benches. I believe the small amount of alcohol adds a little throat hit as well.

The quantities are below the combustion point when mixed with 90% other non flammable ingredients. But, true, it is miscible with water as well.

Nice to hear from you Neb - you've been more absent than I... I'll write you when I get a chance. Thanks for the concern, I'm doing better now.

Hey Laz, thanks. I added the mint to mellow the flavor. When I take a drag I can't really taste it. I get a hint of it when I draw it into my lungs. Feels more like throat hit than minty. The taste threshold is about 9-10%. Without it, it was a little harsh. I first tried the mix with a small quantity. I pre-mixed the 24mg/ml and mixed 9 drops French Pipe, 9 drops unflavored and 2 drops mint. Made about 1 ml or so.

damunster - I haven't tried it yet, but I've read of a couple DIY tobacco mixes on the "other" forum that many seem to be raving about. If you'll PM me, I'll give you the links to the threads. They use mainly tobacco absolute and ethyl maltol for the flavor and smell components.

damunster · 10-10-2009, 06:34 PM

I finally got some Everclear. Not at Circle K (The ones I went to didn't have it). Made your mix up but used caramal and it is yummy. Thanks Renderwerks.

Generic · 10-10-2009, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by damunster

I would like to find out how to make my own tobacco liquid. I just don't know where to get the tobacco flavor. I did get some from Eliquid Flavoring but it wasn't what I was looking for. Does anyone know how/where to get the tobacco flavor from??

That stuff you bought from Liquid Express is a joke for sure.

I just read a good post on the other forum regarding these flavorings from The Seedman:

Tobacco Flavorings for Home Grown Tobacco

Scroll down to the "Top Note" flavors. I ordered five flavors the other day and I'll report back when I give 'em a try.

The poster on the other forum suggested 5% but stated that he likes weaker flavor.

These are PG based. Apparantly the company told him that E-juice manufacturers buy their flavorings by the gallon but they do not recommend them for anything other than their intended use.

I think we may have found the "holy grail" here.

We'll see.

-Generic

damunster · 10-10-2009, 08:11 PM

Please post your findings. Looks like a good place to get the flavoring.

Snarkyone · 10-11-2009, 03:56 AM

Nice recipe I will give it a shot. I have found that when I make my own juice that my vapor output is vastly superior to what we get in the bottled stuff. I use VG based unflavord nicotine for the base, and for mixing I use a mix of roughly 80/20 VG/PG which really helps kick up the vapor output, for more throat hit change to 90/10 but it is pretty good at 80/20 I feel, and of course some flavor. Haven't put alcohol in it just because I don't drink and don't have any booze around the house.

Generic · 10-17-2009, 07:53 PM

SCORE!

Of the five Seedman top notes I have tried two:

Commercial:

90% 48mg Unflavored juice
10% Commercial flavoring

Good. Reminds me of "Tobacco High" pre-filled carts. With tuning this will be just dandy.

Captain Black:

90% 48mg Unflavored juice
10% Captain Black flavoring

They nailed Captain Black tobacco with this one. A little too sweet for my tastes and not strong enough tobacco flavor but it's gonna work great with tuning as well.

See this thread on the other forum regarding these flavorings: Tobacco Flavors in the U.S. - e-cigarette-forum.com • The place for electronic cigarette reviews, news and chat

Be sure and click yer butts right back here though!

I will not be buying premixed juice any longer.

Amen.

-Generic

damunster · 10-17-2009, 09:01 PM

Sweet. I will be placing my order soon. Thanks for being our tester. lol

Generic · 10-18-2009, 09:44 AM

Further testing:

"English Tobacco" flavor from Seedman

90% 48 mg. Unflavored Juice
10% English Tobacco Flavor

Yuck! I taste no tobacco in here whatsoever. I say "yuck" because this takes me back about 40 years to when I was a kid. I had the Mumps and was too young/too sick/too swollen to swallow pills. The pharmacist mixed the antibiotic with a strong "vanilla" flavor. This tastes like THAT! To this day I am wary of "vanilla" because of this. I love vanilla ice cream, vanilla tobacco, etc. But there is a certain "vanilla" flavor that makes me shudder. This is IT!

Don't discount it though- Taste is VERY subjective. I *might* be able to use this flavor in a blend. Maybe. If I hold my nose. I am pretty sure that unless you had the same experience as I did 40 years ago you'll actually like this.

I am NOT looking forward to the "Vanilla" flavoring but I'm a trooper so I'll do it. For ya'll.

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At this point I am thinking the key is the "Commercial" on top with gentle hints of the others such as Captain Black, vanilla, honey, coffee, caramel, etc.

This is fun!

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-Generic

Hachiroku · 10-18-2009, 12:05 PM

Hmmmm...

The carts on my 084 were drying up *QUICKLY*! Since the main ingredients in vapor are PG and alcohol...
I didn't have any PG laying around (well, antifreeze...but) and nothing else but IPA and Crown Royal...

Hmmm...Now, I bet vaping CR is not doing a lot of good for the atty, but it sure TASTES good! And it makes a lot of vapor.

Stehle · 10-18-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hachiroku

Hmmmm...

The carts on my 084 were drying up *QUICKLY*! Since the main ingredients in vapor are PG and alcohol...
I didn't have any PG laying around (well, antifreeze...but) and nothing else but IPA and Crown Royal...

Hmmm...Now, I bet vaping CR is not doing a lot of good for the atty, but it sure TASTES good! And it makes a lot of vapor.

The screw on caps of the "old style" 084 cartridges if put on fairly tight usually prevent the contents drying. Also various Lipton Pyramid Teabags mods (PTB) as replacement cartridge material (filler) usually help this situation as well.

I've been using the Seedman "Commercial Cigarette" Top Note flavor for about 3 months now in my DYS tobacco flavors.

sweett4rt · 10-18-2009, 01:27 PM

I ordered the honey and commercial tobacco.

anonymous · 10-18-2009, 04:11 PM

I have not found anyone who sells any tobacco extracts. What you'd want to do obtain a tobacco extract would be to purchase a tobacco blend (or blend your own) and perform a alkaloid extraction on it. You could perform this chemically or even as simple as creating a tincture or a glycerite. A true glycerite (0% alcohol) will be harder to produce than an alcohol tincture and will require some chemicals and heating. If you opt to go for a tincture please be careful if you opt to heat the tincture to speed extraction and also be mindful of the % nicotine obtained from your volume of raw leaf blend. In the case of an alcohol tincture your tobacco tincture would take the place of any flavor or alcohol in your mix. This should be suitable at low percentages due to your ability to evaporate and condense the tobacco tincture.

By a quick search I found http://ryorevolution.com/d_r-tobaccos.html: they sell various tobacco pre blended in various assortments that you could use. Be sure to strain your tincture extremely well to ensure no atomizer clogging! Also, you could perform a tincture extraction with DI water but it will not be anywhere as near as potent and will lack sterility.

Generic · 10-19-2009, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stehle

The screw on caps of the "old style" 084 cartridges if put on fairly tight usually prevent the contents drying. Also various Lipton Pyramid Teabags mods (PTB) as replacement cartridge material (filler) usually help this situation as well.

I've been using the Seedman "Commercial Cigarette" Top Note flavor for about 3 months now in my DYS tobacco flavors.

Thanks for sharing so quickly :-|

I know- health issues- glad you're back inthe groove!

It ain't bad huh? The "Commercial" etc...

The Captain Black is spot-on . As a Pipe smoker I'm pretty happy about this one as well as "Commercial".

Be well!

-Generic

Generic · 10-19-2009, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous

I have not found anyone who sells any tobacco extracts. What you'd want to do obtain a tobacco extract would be to purchase a tobacco blend (or blend your own) and perform a alkaloid extraction on it. You could perform this chemically or even as simple as creating a tincture or a glycerite. A true glycerite (0% alcohol) will be harder to produce than an alcohol tincture and will require some chemicals and heating. If you opt to go for a tincture please be careful if you opt to heat the tincture to speed extraction and also be mindful of the % nicotine obtained from your volume of raw leaf blend. In the case of an alcohol tincture your tobacco tincture would take the place of any flavor or alcohol in your mix. This should be suitable at low percentages due to your ability to evaporate and condense the tobacco tincture.

By a quick search I found http://ryorevolution.com/d_r-tobaccos.html: they sell various tobacco pre blended in various assortments that you could use. Be sure to strain your tincture extremely well to ensure no atomizer clogging! Also, you could perform a tincture extraction with DI water but it will not be anywhere as near as potent and will lack sterility.

English please.

:-)

-Generic

TassleHawk · 11-27-2009, 03:06 PM

Hello I am new here and to E-cigs I have been a smoker for 25 years now and have gotten tired of waking up and trying to hack up a lung fort thing in the morn. So I ordered myself 2 E-cigs one DSE901 and one KR808D-1 and while I am waiting for them to arrive I have been reading up. I ordered some e-juice and some extra carts as well and after reading a lot on these forums I now understand that the flavor of the tobacco juices out there on most sites are not up to par and I found this thread.

So I figured I would give it a bump and see how the Seedman flavorings have come out to making a nice tobacco taste? From what I have seen so far it looked promising so I ordered some as well but wanted to see what others have come up with so far. I also ordered 20 LorAnn flavors and so PG I have some VG already so I am going to be ready to mix right out of the gate

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Any advice would be great.

Thank you
Ed