Flashwitt

It's okay. The voices in my head are telling me I shouldn't kill you...
yet.

iLuvEfags

Happy New Year mates! Thanks for the responses, they've all been really helpful. Well, I've been pouring over the forums, watching some youtube reviews and checking suppliers and I think my understanding of vaping has improved a little.
I'm realizing that a traditional looking PV's not going to work for me. I'm often not in a position to charge devices for days at a time so a bigger batt is better.
I reckon an eGo/C-E2 would be a pretty good workhorse for me -- later, when I get paid, an 808 for when I'm around town.
This is the 'rough draft' of my order:


Joye eGo Starter Kit (black)
Electronic Cigarette - Starter Kits - Joye eGo
* 2 x manual eGo 650mAh 3.7v batteries
* 2 x Joye 510 atomizer
* 2 x Atomizer Cone
* 5 x tobacco cartridges
* 1 x high speed USB charger
* 1 x usb mains charger
* 1 x user manual
* 1 x presenation box
$49.99

Black eGo XL 900mAh Battery - Single
Electronic Cigarette - Batteries - Joye eGo
$21.49
***Spare Battery***

Black eGo - Button Protector
Electronic Cigarette - Batteries - Joye eGo
$3.39

Eight Packs --> 5 Pack of C-E2 510 XL Cartomizer 2.4 Ohm (Black) Electronic Cigarette - Cartomizers - C-E2 - 510/808D-1[901]/401
$12.29*8 $98.32
***This is the part I'm most unclear about***

C-E2 Tool For Filling
Electronic Cigarette - Cartomizers - C-E2 - 510/808D-1[901]/401
$1.49

250ml Unflavored "DIY" e-Liquid 35mg/ml
250ml Unflavored DIY e-Liquid [250base] - $100.00 : Vermont Vapor, The Smoking Alternative
$100

Total cost: $274.68 + shipping (d'oh)


I'm considering getting a big bottle of strong unflavored juice and dilute/flavor it to something I like to save a little. Does anyone know if the M-series CE-2s are better than the 510 CE-2s and if the Atomizer cones in the Joye eGo Starter Kit work for the CE-2s? I'm still looking around for information -- I just found a bit of good info on aussievapers.com, claims that Eastmall in China can ship here in 6 days including weekends, which would be great.
Anyway, what do you guys think?

iLuvEfags

I just realized all I need is a single 510 battery to have an analog-like setup so...One other item I think:

Black Joye 510 Auto - Single
Electronic Cigarette - Batteries - Joye 510
$12.99

Flashwitt

I can't speak to the gear question, since I've just got the 510 myself, but as a relative newbie to all this myself, I'd strongly recommend you think twice about flavoring your own at the start. It's a lot harder than I thought to find perfect balance in ratios and get everything just as I like. Also, you imply you're going to be away from civilization for long stretches, which would also make precise mixing more difficult. Instead, look for a flavor you'll readily enjoy while you're getting clear of the analogs, then later, once you're settled in, try your hand at the mixing.

I'd recommend ordering a couple of types of flavored juices- something tobacco-ey, something fresh bright and fruity, and something sweet and heavy, or nutty. Then you'll have the option of variety. Also, don't worry about matching up or coming close to your old analog's flavor- it matters less than you think, and is much harder to come close to anyway. It's really more the throat hit, nicotine, and vape densities that are more critical- think in terms of bumming a smoke from a friend. If you're a Camel guy, and your buddy smokes Marb, it's different, but no big deal. But if you smoke full flavors, and he smokes lights- or god forbid, ULTRA lights, then his smokes are not gonna hold you up.

40bikes

LuvE very good start. Some notes:
401 is a type just as 510 is or 901 or KR808d-1 each has its ownsize and thread specification All CE-2s are made by microtech and royal smoker(Part of microtech) in china. You could order from them(e-liquid.cn) but chinese shipping is absurd
901 and 808D-1 have the same threads but if you use an 808 cartomiser on a 901 battery it will not draw well The 808 was designed from the beginning as a cartomiser unit. There is an adaptor 901>808d-1 that solves the draw problem Really no need for any 901 gear with your list.
The resistance of your carto makes a big difference : the Genuine Joye eGo batteries are lower voltage(3.3v) than their imitators(3.7v) which are going to run hot on the 2.4 ohm coils and cause taste issues when used with the 3.7v batteries 2.8-3.0Ω is probably best if used with the 2 voltage levels
If getting just 1 510 battery for around town get a mega battery it will give you some extra time (the batts are only a couple $ diff. in price the megas last twice as long) you need a regular charger for the 510 as the charger in your eGo kit charges at 2x the current and will burn up a standard battery.
Be careful with your juice flavorings: oils(citrus,cinnamon,clove peppermint) don't come out of your atties or cartos so you will have a dedicated atty and might get stuck with a flavor until the atty burns out. If you use a sweet flavor from the grocery that has sugar your atty will clog up very quickly and once it is "baked" on your atty coil it wont rinse off. Best to get candy flavorings from a baker,confectioner or hobby shop
That's all I can think of now, I'll sleep on it. Good luck, my friend

40bikes

Flash, thats why the filters break off a cigarette so easily.
And LuvE, Flash has very good insight for as long as she's been at this, Also from her recommendations you can do a little experimenting. Tobacco flavors are pretty good with a couple of drops of a coffee or candy or fruit flavored juice, just do it a 1/2 ml or less at a time.

40bikes

LuvE, I just remembered that OZ is in it's hottest season; you should try to keep your juice as cool as possible. Vegetable glycerin deteriorates with heat and since it is chemically a sugar alcohol it makes a fairly good growth medium for bacteria. I have tasted juices exposed to high ambient temps for a while and the slight sour flavor change was a red flag that I should be careful.

berger

ILEF, (I cant bring myself to use Luve)
Looks like a great package but a few suggestions:
#1 Bikes is right about the batteries, if you can upgrade your better off for a few more bucks, bigger batteries, longer life and extended life cycle. Don't just worry about what they show as options, ask for an upgrade and see what they quote you.
#2 Get some 3 mil metal needle syringes and forget the fill tool - the plastic needles suck, they bend easy and then are a real PITA. The metal needles can fit into the holes and are much easier to work with.
#3 Ordering that much juice without knowing you love or at least like it is crazy. Never go by word on flavors for large quantities. Everybody's tastes are different and using the forum to get ideas to try isn't bad but taking that kind of jump is nuts. Say it arrives and you hate it what then? You would be far better off ordering smaller quantities (like say 30 ml or less) and varieties until you know what you like and then you can go nuts.

40bikes

Berger, his thinking is probably more about postage than product. Gettin his goods all at once or in a big box is probably way cheaper than sending multiple packages down under.

Dhileas

I strongly agree with Berger on his third point. I recommend skimming through here (WHAT IS THE BEST E-Liquid on the MARKET!?!?!) for a consensus that suits your taste. I'm a big fan of Halo's Freedom Juice (which I hate the name of), but the flavor is unique and outstanding. Rummaging through the forum's favorites, though, may help you find the better or most recommended sites and flavors.

Bendel

But you can tear off the filter lol

berger

Yea but 100.00 worth of juice you may not like seems excessive especially if that's the only one you got. Great if you like it but what are the odds you may not...50/50.... at best?

Flashwitt

Yep- with an analog you can, but we're not talkin analogs here are we? *lol*

and I third or fourth or fifth (or whatever) has been said about buying a lot of juice. Having never bought any at all, you could very easily end up with toejelly or worse, and then you won't even want the rest of your package, and end up back on the analogs for good, with an unpleasant vaping experience under your belt to discourage you from trying again.

If you ABSOLUTELY feel you must buy it all at once, and quickly, then take the time to read a LOT of reviews, and don't pay for anything that doesn't have many, and all excellent- 4 stars or better.

Steampunk

Hey! I'm sweet, heavy and nutty! Order me!!!!

Good advice. I started out with tobacco, and then said, Why? All these flavors?!?!

I tend to shy away from the sweeeeeet stuff, since vaping Mint would cause me to get the Sugar Shakes at about 10:30 AM, but you're certainly spot on about the light, lightly sweet stuff. Tobacco gets heavy after a while and it's good to break it up with something 'different'.

iLuvEfags

Thanks for your input everyone! Yeah, you're probably right Flash, precise mixing would probably be difficult where I'm at. I should get juice I enjoy so I don't go back to analogs. I'll try and find some good juices with a variety of flavors. And the temps, yeah Bikes, I hadn't thought about that but it's bloody hot this time of year. If I left any juice with a weakness to heat in a car it would get ruined very quickly (I left a candle in my car a couple months ago – came back to a puddle of wax all over my console). I'll go with the 3.1 ohm cartomizer if that would be better with the 3.3v eGo batts, and I'll go for the mega 510 batt with the regular charger for it as well. I didn't know that the fill tool isn't quality Berger, I'll ditch that idea and get some metal syringes instead.

I've heard good things about Vermont Vapor's “Smoke” flavor has anyone tried that one? Steam, I read somewhere you liked a few of that supplier's flavors -- and everyone seems to agree they have good flavors. I don't know if VV's “Smoke” is oil based or not, but I'll have to check before ordering anything with the heat. Maybe I'll order some Tres Cincos. I'm going to check out that thread on the best e-liquid Dhileas, thanks for the link -- it's good to know what other people are vaping to get an idea of what I might like. This is really great info, Thanks again guys.

berger

ILEF,
If you going with CE2's (XL's are my pref) Ive found the 2.7 or 2.5 ohm cartos superior for some flavors on the 3.2 V ego (or =). You may want to get some of both ohm types to see what you like better for which flavors with which equipment.

Steampunk

I like a LOT of their flavors. They use VG (which may tend to gum up atomizers...?) but with the cartomizers I have no problem

A lot of the 'generic' stuff (usually Dekange) has what I call a "purple" flavor to it; it seems to have an aftertast of lilacs. If you're into lilacs, that's cool; I'm not. I have three bottles in front of me now I won't touch, and even mixing with other flavors doesn't make the aftertaste go away.

I wasn't really impressed with the Smoke; It's good, but their Tobacco is better. Tastes like a REAL Turkish blend, or a Cuban. So far I have tried Cafe Au Lait (not real coffee, but really good), Vanilla, Tobacco (my fave), Chocomint (tastes a great deal like a Thin Mint cookie), Mocha (spot on) Mint (REALLY MINT!) and for laughs I tried Cherry and Strawberry. I can recommend them all.

I'll have to give Smoke another shot; I was mixing it with Tobacco and it tasted very OK.

That reminds me. I want to shoot Adam and email. Their flavors taste REALLY GOOD with a 510 atomizer, but falls off on the cartomizers. I think I'll send them a carto and say, "Here, make your flavors work as well with this as they do with atomizers". If they do, I'm all set...

(What I've noticed about the cartomizers is, no matter WHAT flavor you select, they mostly taste like corn syrup. Except for the 'purple' flavors...it makes them taste MORE 'purple'...)

Now, the CE2s bring out much, much more of the juice flavor, especially if you drip on them.

Dhileas

Anytime sir! It probably goes without saying too to maybe check this one out as well: Worst Flavor

gmama55

Lots of info,I found I do not like the feel of the "pen"e-cigs.I like the feel of My Rive 510,best way to explain is lite weight darts to heavy weight darts. I would probably be a modder, still too new