Flashwitt

I know there IS an "official" Juices thread- but that's very much a structured place for merchants to hawk their wares and tell us about the newest hot flavors they've concocted. I can't be the only one who just wants to discuss juices I've tried, ask questions about others, discuss recipes for home brews, and so on, can I?

So. Juices. Let's talk.

I got a 555 recently from Vapor Country that rocks awesomely. Loving it. So I picked up a tri-5 from Juicy... which turns out to have a strange ozoney, rubbery, chemical body that I can't stand. These being my only T5 experiences so far, input from other 555 vapers would be appreciated. I get the impression that it, like the RY4, is very different from one maker to another.

The ozoney thing- is that a trait of some thinner, or vape mask, or something? I read somewhere someone tried the mask and thought it "chemically", and that's exactly what I'd call this trait.

My chocolate happiness has so far come from Viking Vapors and Juicy, and I'm happy to say, chocolate and the tri-5 are a really good match.

Butters are a big deal with me, because I want salt without "umami"- you know, how peanut butter cookies can be salty and sweet, but you can't really pull it off with garlic, or "meaty" flavors? So far, I've tried Flavorart(from VaporRenu,) DIY Vapor Shack (which used P. Apprentice,) Perfumers Apprentice, and Fairies Favorites. So far, ONLY the P. Apprentice stuff which is marked as not safe for vaping has been what I wanted- but now they tell me I shouldn't vape that. The others have all been candy-sweet, which ruins the whole point for me. It's like I go to salt my cantaloupe only to discover someone has sneakily replaced the salt with sugar... Bleh. Not what I wanted. The stuff from VaporRenu/FlavourArts seems to be settling, and losing a lot of it's excessive sweetness, but it's hard to be sure yet. I have my hopes up.

My mixing skills are not. I tend to dump some flavor up to about a third of a
3ml bottle, drip in some glycerin and 36mg, shake, and call it good, but this winds up with flavors that seem to sort of coagulate- the VG is way too thick to use as a base all by itself. Haven't tried thinning with water or alcohol yet. I want to get a bottle of straight PG, so I can tinker with the consistency, throat-hit, and vape production before I start judging my creations too harshly. Also, I have NO system of keeping track of my recipes, really, and my labels are often so completely cryptic even *I* can't make sense of them after a week or two. Anyone else have this haphazard style of mixing?

tek

kewl, i think this is a good idea.
first bear with me its early and my son wants to be up and i am groggy cause i have no dunkin donuts and i dont own a coffee maker.

i picked up some mixed berry's from vt, it has a weird chem flavor to it and cant figure out why. i am letting it sit closed to see what happens in a couple of weeks.
i have some stuff from vaporrenu and i have only tryed one of the two juices i ordered.
i cant put it down its fruit punch med hit. it sooooooo good.... yea

now i have a question

how fast do you go taste blind. if ya know what i mean. it seems like some times ill go faster than others...

Flashwitt

Hard to be sure- though it seems to happen most when I'm taste-testing, and not as much when I'm just enjoying my vapes. I tend to drip-mix- Dunno if others do that as much. I keep a few favorites in my pocket, and I'll grab whatever atty tastes best and seems to be giving me the best hit at that moment. When the atty goes dry, I'll lean toward one or another flavor, so I'll and up with, for example, a 555 + Chocolate of some sort, and I'll drip with the choco til I start to miss the 555, or toss in a splash of pistachio or butter or whatever if I feel like I want to lean another direction. Usually does well for me, though sometimes I find myself doing the vape-version of chasing the dragon. (nudging and poking the flavors, trying to get back to that perfect place.) I can't perfectly replicate good OR bad experiences, but I also find a chaotic pleasure in the ephemeral quality of each vape. I'm just that artsy-fartsy. I do find after it's been perfect for a while, it seems to fade from my tongue quite a bit. It's definitely nice to have a couple of pre-mixes I love, that I can always return to when my homebrews start getting a little too esoteric.

Have I mentioned GRV's Juicy Pear? Not here, yet, at least! Wow- seriously insanely pear flavor. LITERALLY like chomping on a fresh juicy pear. I worry about dripping juice and sticky fingers- it's that good. But it's persistent- the flavor will cling to an atty more than you'd expect from a fruit, even though there is nothing candy like about it. On the whole, GRV left me a little underwhelmed. Their chocolate cake isn't bad- nice when mixed with bigger better chocolates, mostly. The tobacco flavors are bizarre, and they all have a strong black tea aftertaste, and I don't mean, like a vague sense of tea- I mean like swigging it black from the cup- in fact, like sucking on a teabag. Their black tea is VERY black tea, of course, if you like that taste. But the service was good, and if their other fruits are anything like the pear, oh my god!

Vt- I assume you mean Vermont- are simply too expensive for me to fiddle with at this point. VaporRenu.... well, there's the bigass sale, and all, but all I've gotten from them is some 36mg unflavored, and their Flavorwest butter (no nic). The butter was sweet as hell straight from the bottle, but it's been breathing, and seems to have improved. Buter's one of those.... not quite flavors. You'd never vape it alone. It's a note within a flavor-chord, so to speak, and it's not a matter of good or bad, so much of it's the right note or it isn't, and so far it hasn't been. I've been flying in the face of danger, and adding a drop or two of the "don't vape this" butter where I need it. I know. I'm like... a crazed maniac. You can't stop me. I drip with 36! I eat gluten by the spoonfuls, and put MSG on all my food....Sometimes, when no one's looking, I run with scissors.

tek

hmm butter does not sound appealing to me... but maby one day...
have you ever had a vanilla cream filled donut.? thats a flavor i want to try... not just sugar or vanilla there is some thing elese in it too....

as far as vapeing till my veins pop, yea i do that once in a while. kinda funlol...

and with mixing i am waiting for a atty to start that. all i have is cartomizers and i dont want to mix up enough juice to fill it... i am stingy for my juices.

Steampunk

Ok...shill time. I got some Cherry from them and it's great. It really tastes like cherry, and mixing it with tobacco makes it taste like one of those flavored cigars. I got some strawb. and raspb. from them, too, but haven't tried them yet.

I got some "mixed berry" flavoring from the machine at the local convenience store, used to flavor your coffee. It's ingredients are PG, Natural and artif. flavors. I mixed it with some unflavored 48mG and...it tasted just like what you described.

I just dripped some strawberry. It tastes like...strawberries. I didn't get the mixed berry as a sample based on my experience with the flavoring I tried, and it looks like its universal.

Steampunk

I do that at home with the CE2s...just drip a different flavor

As far as being artsy-fartsy, I don't know about you, but my friends just call me weird...

I drip 36. MSG gives me migraines. As far as running with scissors, be careful with that...

Flashwitt

I am artsy-fartsy AND weird. I'm a geek-poet-goth. I wear a lot of lace and brocade, and have a running dialog with the wild ravens in my neighborhood, who tell me secrets. ;D (Why is there no grinning wink smiley?)

Flashwitt facepalms as her scissors-point sails directly over Steamy's newly shaved skull.

tek

the trees talk to me.. just sayin
wana see my new tat?
maby it will tell ya a lil about me
I promice I am not crazy. Well in a bad way.

Flashwitt

~Flash refrains from showing off her piercings in public forums~

So, I just came across VoidMist.com. Anyone familiar with their products? They seem to allow some on-site custom mixing similar to Gourmet Vapor, and the prices are comparable.

More Juice Talk! I got several orders over the holidays- here's my juice-hording two-bits' worth about them:
Brownie Batter from Juicy! Have I mentioned I love it?

Got some spicy stuff from MadVapes... Gingerbread, Carrot cake, and banana bread. The banana bread is not bad- very much like Banana Bikes candy, if you remember those. Sort of taffy flavored. Not much breadiness, and a hint of a chemical afterbite that keeps it from being fantastic. The gingerbread and carrot cake I'll review together, since they are equally loathsome. Remember that really cheap church-rummage-sale potpourri that tried to pretend to smell spicy/orchardy, but instead was more like really really awful cloying cheapass perfume? Well, these both taste and smell just like that to me. Nasty nasty nasty. (Imho. Tastes are always subjective. But YUCK!)

Madvapes threw in a bottle of Lemon-Blueberry Cotton Candy as a bonus/trial, so try it I did. Kinda good... on the first puff. by the second puff, I was pretty much over that. I hadn't planned a third puff really, but I couldn't get the stuff out of my atty. Maybe these goops have their place. Maybe watered down with a LOT of nic and PG and VG and some vapewizard and some everclear and some distilled water, and all but hidden under some other hardcore extreme flavor, they'd be perfect. No personal disrespect to Madvapes- they were super cheap, and sent my order fast, even during the holidays, plus the bonus bottle, which, even if I hated the contents, was a friendly gesture on their part....

Got a tiny sample of Good Prophets' 555. Tough to judge the stuff. It smells kinda footy, if ya know hat I mean, but the flavor's nice- if different than I expected. It's woodsy and musky. *LOL* Sitting here vaping it, trying to let my mind drift so I can capture what it reminds me of and it hit me. Clean rodent cages. Some might think that's gross, but I don't mean it in a gross way. Anyone with pet hamsters, ferrets, rats, etc... will know what I mean I imagine.

I haven't weighed in yet on Vapor Renu really. The only thing I've gotten from them was straight vg/36 nic, and since then have decided I prefer mix, just because vg is too damned thick by itself, alcohol tastes like alcohol, and water... feels foggy and wet when I vape it, so PG is good both to thin, and for throat hit for me. Since they don't sell nic in a vg/pg mix, and 36 is as high as they go, I'm leaning away from them somewhat. Still, they do have decent prices. Maybe I should take some of their flavors out for a spin.

Steampunk

Here I go again, but the main reason I stick with Vt Vapor is the lack of perfumey aftertaste with their juices. I only name names on stuff I like, so I won't say who's coffee flavor tasted a lot like anything but coffee...Chanel No5 seems to describe it best. High Caliber's tobacco left something to be desired but their Coffee Expresso has a kind of delightful nutty taste, and added to a tobacco flavor gives it a roasted flavor not unlike Camel straights.

Other flavors I have tried (mostly Dekang, I think) have that nasty perfumey taste and smell, and one tasted like fresh pineapple with coconut, not bad except it was supposed to be Turkish Blend...

e-liquid8.com has a 50/50 PG/VG mix, 48mG/mL. I use it to boost up my Vt Vapor stuff, because the higher nic keeps me from smoking more ciggies. They're having a sale right now; if I ever get PAID I'll order some more!

Flashwitt

Well, it's not exactly polite or kind to give bad reviews, but if a dealer is selling something that's awful, or engaging in poor or worse, dishonest, practices, then it's better I think to be honst about it. I've seen quite a few reviews like yours that say "I'm not going to name names but..." and I'm left with this shadowy fear that I might spend my very dear and limited cash on something that someone could have warned me away from.

I don't think I've gotten anything that's Dekang at this point- though the stuff's so prevalent, and so often relabeled that it's hard to be sure.

Oh- I have no doubt VT is worth the sampling- I've just failed to convince myself to justify buying a whole 12ml or more when I haven't tried it yet. I do get adventurous, and you definitely have my curiousity peaked! As for boosting- yeah. I think my nic range slides up and down with my moods and the time of day. Sometimes an 18 is plenty, other times, I want to drink the 36 and to hell with fogging it first!

Steampunk

LOL! Yeah, I've had those moments, too. JUST GIMME THE NIC!!!!!!!

Vt Vapor does have samples, but with a flat rate of $6 for shipping I either order one or two of my "tried and trues" like Tobacco, vanilla or cafe au lait, and a few samples, or a whole bunch of samples at once.

40bikes

Flash, the 555 Good Prophets hamster house aura is cedar shavings, that's the woody tone i think.

Flashwitt

Yeah- I get the cedar, definitely, but there's a muskiness too- that I often refer to as "footy"- a little bit stinky, in a mossy, earthy way that's not entirely bad. (Nothing like the stinky plasticky "new car" smell I get from some of Juicy's stuff. Their 555 (Juicy's) is still pretty much unvapable as far as I'm concerned.)

Remember though- I was raised in the SouthWest, and now live in the Northwest, so cedar smoke to me is almost as familiar as air. *lol* the only thing more so now is alder, with which we NW'ers smoke everything from salmon to tomatoes to .... whatever's laying around the fridge when the smoker's running. Kathy at Apprentice sent me a sample of Hickory smoke flavoring, but I fear that stuff. Last spring, I leaned over too close when I was pulling the top off the smoker, and without even realizing it at first, got a lung full of hot hickory smoke & fumes. You know- that invisible shit the firemen are always warned about. Scorched my pipes pretty good. By nightfall I was in agony and could barely speak, let alone sing, and I had gigs booked up for months- no time to heal... it was a long, painful summer.

40bikes

OK, Flash the black helicopter guys should be there shortly. In the interest of National Security your nose is being taken into protective custody.

Steampunk

Hmmm..."New Car". Now, there's a flavor I would like!

Of course, then again, my old Subaru has a very distinct (but pleasant) old car smell. You know, where everything kind of blends together, the seats, floor, and has kind of a leather/cloth smell with a tinge of gasoline? That would be pretty good...

berger

when old cars smell like gasoline on the inside thats usually not a good thing

tek

ohh how i miss my f150 with the leaky gas tank
hmmmph

berger

Must be a ford thing...My old bronco used to rust out the tanks above the bash plate. Nothing like finding 50 gals of gas leaked out.

tek

the way the rolled lip at the mid point of the tank was rolled <upwards> made em rot out.. dam jerks shoulda fliped it but no stamped it out ass backwards. arg..

ok i am better now smile.

Flashwitt

*tiny voice* m- m'nose? *looks worried* Yeah- seriously odd how keen that sense is even after I've savaged it with years of smoking and drinking. Mehbee I'ma mutant.

Juicy Vapor's 555. You can also taste it in the Chocolate Hysteria I brewed up for them. But it's not as tasty as you might think. It's rubbery. And cloying. Like plastic things that are fresh from the factory.

I concocted a cologne way back that had that feel, though without the gasoline. It's mostly leather and cedar, and I replaced the gas scent with Black Pepper oil. Fabulously retro scent. Love that stuff.

Nah- not when it's too strong- but I know the odor Steamy's talkin about- it's more from years and years of mechanics' hands and greasy pocket rags. I'm getting nostalgic just imagining that. It's a comfy, homey kinda smell. It's the smell of a long road trip on Rt 66.

Flash was in fact born along Rt. 66.

Steampunk

Hmmm...born along rt 66. Concocted a cologne that smells like old cars.
What's not to like?

berger

mix in a little new tire rubber and that describes my current vehicle LOL

Flashwitt

Yep- I was born retro, and had to grow into it. I think everyone has an age they were born to be, and we spend our lives reaching that point. Then if we're lucky (and smart,) we just sorta stay that age forever.

Steampunk

That means I'm gonna live a LONG time, cause I was born at least 100 years too soon.