Hachiroku

My base for everything is Vt Vapor Tobacco, 35mG/mL. I wanted to give up cigs, not nicotine!

I've been cutting it with their 24mG mint and Midwest's 24mG Camel. Makes an interesting smoke...

Hachiroku

PG is what they use in the Fog Machines like bands use, or the Halloween foggers. They mix PG with water to make the vapor.

When I started I ordered a GALLON of food grade PG to cut the Vt Vapor Tobacco because it is STRONG! Then I read an FDA test on e-cigs and discovered that one brand produced Methylene Glycol, a toxin. Another brand didn't. The brand that did was PG based, the brand that didn't was VG based, hence my decision to go VG.

PG does produce more vapor, and VG has a tendency to gum up attys (the first I know, the second I've heard.)

belowme

I read from some site that adding a couple drops of VG to your e-liquid would give you a more thick vapor..

don't know if its true cause I never tried

Kaye

You're getting great advice. I also have had no atty failures and am still using the 2 that I got in my original starter kit in June 09. I have others ordered later but haven't yet needed them.... and I NEVER clean them, or unscrew them from the batt at night, or blow them out; I use PG and VG indiscrimately and fill my carts till there's a juice bubble on top and then slip them back on the atty figuring the extra juice will just run down onto the atty like dripping. I guess one day the whole thing will just explode but till then, it works great! And Rocket said in one of his posts that he mixes PG and VG, the VG for more vapor.

Does anybody remember those little pellets you could buy to make exploding cigarettes? You'd just push them down into the tobacco from the end and after an unsuspecting someone took 2 or 3 pulls, it would explode with a loud pop and the paper would split and peel back like a banana. It was really funny when I was 16 but it's probably a miracle we didn't put someone's eye out. Like drag racing on the back roads and "driving" your car down the railroad tracks at night, it was all fun stuff as long as you lived through it!

Hachiroku

Took my 510 (now working QUITE well, thanks all!) to a gig tonight; a small bar here in Western Mass. After setting up the PA and putting on a CD to check the volume and sound quality I stepped to the front of the club and started hitting my 510, sending out massive clouds of vapor. I noticed through the passthrough some people glancing over. I went to the bar to get a Coke before we started and the bartender asked me, "WHat is that? A cigarette?" "No..." She said, "Is it tobacco?" "no..." "Is it SMOKE?" "no..."
so then I explained it to her, she gave me a kind of.../look/ and I said, "They're actually still *legal* in Massachusetts!"

I had a few people come up and ask about it; one is a guitar player that lives next to our singer; he installs car stereos and electronics and is a bit more technically minded than a lot and he was asking all kinds of questions, so I took it apart and showed him the parts and gave him a brief explanation of how it worked. By this time a few other people were gathering and also had questions, so I gave them the run down. One guy is like me and has been smoking for 30 years and asked where he could get one so I passed along this forum and a few names of places frequented by the owners here. Caused quite a stir, for sure!

damunster

I finally got a 510. Thanks everyone for all the good advice about them. My only question is.... I got the starter kit that comes with 2 complete sets and I purchased 2 extra batteries to go with them. The batteries are what I am concerned about. Every time they get taped on or bumped the battery comes on. Even when they are not connected to anything. Is this common or are they defective? I can return them under warranty if they are bad.

nebraskapuffer

Do your batterys have buttons on them? It almost sounds like you got automatic rather than manual batts. I've only had one auto batt for my 510's and I don't use it at all because it would do unexpected things like you mention. 510 manuals are great although they don't last as long as we would like but I think I've read elsewhere that the autos can be problematic. If your's are auto maybe you can exchange them for manuals.

highping

I'm guessing these are auto batteries?? If so there are either activateed by sound or pressure on the diaphram in the little hole. If you snap your fingers near the light, does it flash? If so they are sound activated. If not, they are pressure. Either way they will activate all the time when you don't want them to. Just one of the drawbacks to auto batteries.
I would recommend getting some manual batts. That was one of the things that set the 510 apart from other models when it came out. Now, most models have a manual or auto option. Most serious vapers are going to go with the manual IMO.

Edit: wow np...simultaneous posts with similar answers.

damunster

Thanks for the speedy replys. Yes, they are auto and I will send them back and get the manual. I have 901's and haven't had this problem with any of them. But so far I really like the 510's

nebraskapuffer

I agree, I've never had those problems with my 901's. I don't know why they didn't make the 510 battery just like the 901 but make it fit the 510. I guess they have all kinds of adapters now days and some people really like the way they can mix and match. I think they are silly but I might feel differently tomorrow LOL!

belowme

actually 901's now have manual battery;s as well, you should look into that too cause I got one and its awesome!!

not as much vapo as the 510 but you get a lil more flavor IMO,

and does anyone else notice that the 901 and the 510 are very similar in design?

also the 901's have a newly designed atty in case you guys dont know it is much much better, less leaking from the hole when you drip

Rocketman

Auto batteries:
I have noticed 510 auto batteries I have seem to come on, or stay on if I vape in the car with the window down. I have to lower the 510 to about seat level away from the wind noise to get it to shut off. Really old 901 batteries (the ones I took apart for my flashlight mod) had a really simple pressure switch that vaping suction actuated. I haven't taken one of the newer 901s or a 510 apart yet but I understand that they use a "microphone" to detect air flow when vaping. The auto battery would then be susceptible to loud noises, thumping and bumping () and wind noise.
This just might be a trick to keep kids from vaping and listening to loud music.

Read my post (DSE-901 thread) about my self vaping passthru. Only did it one time so far.

I carry a pile of e-cig stuff around in a zippered 'i-snug' case and every so often a manual battery will get 'squeezed' on (little blue glow is a tell tale sign).
Don't leave these things cocked and locked with an atty on them (manual or auto) in back pockets or leave the passthru hooked up when you leave the computer.

Rocketman

Oh no ! I smell a Christmas Contest coming (510 Supplier contest number 3 has such a nice ring to it)
Go way back in this thread to find out more.

Comments welcome


The Rocket

(I'm gonna get kicked off this forum yet)

Snarkyone

You got that backwards man on what produces vapor and what gives throat hit. PG gives throat hit and VG gives more vapor. VG is a lot more viscous as well but it's water soluble and shouldn't gum up atomizers, what gums up atomizers are sugars that are in some of the sweeter juices or mixes.

Hachiroku

I DON'T F&@KING BELIEVE IT!!!!!!

I killed ANOTHER atty, this time after FOUR F&@KING DAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT the F&@K AM I DOING WRONG?!?!?!?!?!

This is starting to P!$$ me OFFFFFFFFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

belowme

are you dripping on the attys everytime you top off? that seems to help keep it alive longer (I think)

also with the manual battery's I had one in my back pocket before and then I sat down on my bed and was petting my dog and suddenly my arse got really HOT I'm pretty sure if I didn't get up fast enough it could have left me a nice burn lol so manual battery's for the 510 can be dangerous, especially that it doesn't have a cut-off time so it sould go on forever until the battery runs out....I could just imagine passing out pissed drunk and laying on one.... definitely would need to go to the hospital if that happened.

belowme

I heard the new 901 battery's are sound activated as well. also the M-401's are.

when they first came out, that was the hype about them since the pressure switches tend to go bad very easily

Hachiroku

No, I just fill the carts and reattach. Maybe I should try dripping.

If this keeps up, it's going to get friggin' EXPENSIVE! I thought using an e-cig would be cheaper.

If this doesn't rectify itself, soon, I may just go back to cigs. MAN!

(I got so p!$$3d I amoked a ciggy!)

belowme

if it is ONLY happening to you then it must be something you are doing wrong...

how about this, tell us step by step what you do when you refill and then tell us the last few things that you are doing or what happens when it dies on you, this might give us some clues to help you out...

belowme

also tell me where you bought your 510 from and also, are they willing to exchange them for you free of charge?

Because I hope you know that there are fake 510's out there in circulation

Hachiroku

I bought one from a local guy, one from Rocky Mountain, and one from...Litecig?
I notice differences in the tightness of the carts to the attys. but I manage to kill the attys in 6 days or less.

I huff the thing until it tastes bad, refill so the top is a little wet, reattach the cart, wait 30 seconds or so and start vaping again.

Rocketman may have hit on something. I use a USB pass-thru ALL THE TIME. I have a USB 'charger' in the car, and bring the pass-thru with me. When I'm home, I'm usually here, so I use the USB at the desk. I'm beginning to think there might be something up with the pass-thru, because I notice if I leave it plugged in with the ignition on, or attached to the computer for >5 minutes, the first few hit vape like a bass-tard! Perhaps it is passing too much current through and overheating the attys.

I also have a tendency to hit long and hard, and the attys get hot.

I now have 4 batteries and two chargers that will also work in the car. I think I'm going to try running off the batteries and see if this helps.

Kaye

I think you may have figured out the problem yourself. It has to have something to do with the constant pass-thru use. I use a pass-thru occasionally but not often. I'm still using the attys that came with my original starter kit in June even though I heat up the attys pretty good when I vape, never clean them, and only remove them from a batt long enough to screw in a new batt. I am much happier with my setup since I got the mega-batts because they last 9 to 12 hours instead of 2 or 3 like the standard 510 battery. They are worth the cost.

Hachiroku

So, someone asked if I am getting real Joye 510 parts. How can I tell?
I bought the first one from a guy in New Hampshire that has a tobacco store. This had a very hard hit and smelled 'electronic' the first couple of hits, and then kind of mellowed out after a couple carts.
I got one from Rocky Mountain Vapor, same characteristics. Both these guys were sold out, so I got some attys from Midwest Vapor. The first one of these attys had the same characteristics, but the second was mellow right from the start...smooth flavor without the harsh electronic taste to begin with. Then I got another kit in black from Litecig, and this one also was mellow right off the bat without a harsh electronic taste to begin with. So, will the real Joye 510, please stand up?!
AFAICT, none of them are marked. There is another supplier on line that advertises both real Joye 510 attys, and also those marked SLB, from Sailebo (SP?). Since they are one of the largest manufacturers, I'm wondering how their attys would be. Has anyone tried an SLB atty for a 510?

belowme

i am using a passthrough also and I have no probs with it... the passthrough definiteely gives you more vapor because its like using a completely charged battery everytime you take a hit.

I believe your problem is you probably chain vape so you overheat the atty;s until they can't take it anymore. it's sorta like an abuse problem i guess.. you gotta let it cool down. the good thing about the 510 battery's are that they don't have a cut off but that also means that you can vape hard on it and I don't think that it can handle the stress. Also if you remove the passthrough from your computer you can still vape because there is an external battery.

Harry

belowme

i don't think that Sailebao makes the 510's but you are right they are not marked but the back of your wall charger should say Model: Joye510 on it