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11-15-2011, 09:19 AM
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#1 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Houston, Tx.
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| PG or VG what are the pros and cons of each.
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11-15-2011, 10:47 AM
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#2 | | Couldnt take it anymore Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Mod impersonation carries a stiff penalty YKWYA
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| well PG is much thinner then VG..like water compared to thin maple syrup...
PG seems to carry flavor more but doesn't make quite as much vapor or at least as dense a vapor as VG does
VG tends to mute flavors compared to PG..
some people show a rare allergy to PG
Personally I like a very high % of VG and usually only use about 3% PG to thin the mixture a tad for easier drip filling as I really like the denser thicker vapor from VG so Im willing to add more flavoring to compensate...I find it more satisfying mentally I guess..
I also notice that very high VG% mix seems to last longer in actual use..
I haven't been mixing my own long enough to play around more with the ratios but I imagine some more subtle flavorings may do better in different ratios...
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11-15-2011, 11:14 AM
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#3 | | Vapezilla Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Heaven
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| Hey Craig. I used to get higher PG blends but after getting CCV 100% VG, I began wanting the higher VGs. For some reason, I find I like the muted flavors better with the VG and the juices do last longer for me. As Berger mentioned, I love the thicker vaper and suppose I find it mentally satisfying as well. | |
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11-15-2011, 11:17 AM
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#4 | | Hypervaporation in effect Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Deep in the Heart of the greatest state in the Union
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| I seem to have a tendency to cough more at higher levels of PG. About the highest I go anymore when mixing is around 25 percent PG. This could just be my overactive imagination kicking in though. I did mix as near to 100 percent VG as possible for awhile but it does tend to be difficult to drip out of certain types of bottles, especially when combined with lower ambient temperatures. A little PG goes a long way to help alleviate this. The VG vapor just feels fuller. Fluffier!
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11-15-2011, 01:57 PM
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| Well between me you and the silverbullet, <btw i need more cr123s lifepo4s  > i do 5050 pg and vg. The reasons are , high pg makes me through irritated, and itchy, pure vg tends to give me headakes, and a lil angery, i dont know why, but i cant stand 100% either way. I use and make my own 5050, now is it really 5050, no, not really but its close enough. I could do pure 5050 or i could do 60/40 or 40/60 or what not, really all kinda the same, and to say other then 5050 is spliting hairs... Any way now that i am off on a tangent, the pros and cons are to the person them self, why does vg give me head akes? i dont know, why does pure pg make me slightly itchy, idk, but for me the best place is dead center. | |
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11-15-2011, 03:05 PM
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#6 | | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Gainesville, Florida
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| I mix my own and use 80% VG and 20% PG. The only reason I use any PG is because the flavoring I like is PG based. Otherwise I'd use 100% VG. If any one knows of a good VG cotton candy flavoring, I am all ears. PG makes my face break out with wicked terrible acne. We can't be having that. So I try to avoid PG as much as possible. PG also is harsher on my precious princess throat.
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Reason: Cause I don't "void" PG I "avoid" it....
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11-15-2011, 05:17 PM
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#7 | | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Gainesville, Florida
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Originally Posted by wetwire  I seem to have a tendency to cough more at higher levels of PG. About the highest I go anymore when mixing is around 25 percent PG. This could just be my overactive imagination kicking in though. I did mix as near to 100 percent VG as possible for awhile but it does tend to be difficult to drip out of certain types of bottles, especially when combined with lower ambient temperatures. A little PG goes a long way to help alleviate this. The VG vapor just feels fuller. Fluffier! | I agree WW, the satisfaction of exhaling a big fluffy cloud from VG juice is tops! Makes me happy. 
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11-15-2011, 05:25 PM
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#8 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| Pg coats my mouth with this horrible plaque like substance. Even the smallest amount coats my mouth. My opinion only here but I think the pg actually mutes a persons taste buds. Vg does take about a week to get use to it after using any kind of pg mix but once you fully grasp vg you will be able to taste again. You also will be able to detect the chemical make up of pg.
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11-15-2011, 08:30 PM
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#9 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Philadelphia
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| For me I have always been a PG guy. VG to me is to thick and just doesn't have the throat hit that PG does. I love that throat hit! | |
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11-15-2011, 09:04 PM
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#10 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Originally Posted by wetwire I seem to have a tendency to cough more at higher levels of PG. About the highest I go anymore when mixing is around 25 percent PG. This could just be my overactive imagination kicking in though. I did mix as near to 100 percent VG as possible for awhile but it does tend to be difficult to drip out of certain types of bottles, especially when combined with lower ambient temperatures. A little PG goes a long way to help alleviate this. The VG vapor just feels fuller. Fluffier! | thanks for the thought, ww. Still have a bit of an irritant cough at times when vaping. Most of it is probably left over from 51 yrs of heavy smoking plus 20 yrs exposure to cleaning solvents. Think I'll try 75/25 and see how it does. Been doing 50/50 since I started mixing my own 4 months ago. A little worried that I'll start having problems with gooey cartos like Berger and Ry with the heavier mix, but what the hay. | |
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11-15-2011, 09:15 PM
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#11 | | Hypervaporation in effect Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Deep in the Heart of the greatest state in the Union
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| There are definitely pros and cons to each. I have been able to mix some mostly VG juice and still achieve satisfactory (to me) TH. I am always reminded of something, someone here said once. Throat Hit otherwise known as throat irritation. It seems like certain flavors give more of an actual smoking sensation than others to me. I never actually felt like higher PG levels made it feel more like smoking. The "fluffy factor" does it for me I guess. When you get a whole bunch of that fluffy vapor inhaled, where it makes you sound funny when you exhale and talk simultaneously.. and you can just feel all that vapor coming out...ya know what I mean?
hehe - it was you wasn't it creote?. The throat irritation thing. I hear ya
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11-15-2011, 09:18 PM
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#12 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Your Dreams
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Originally Posted by creote46 thanks for the thought, ww. Still have a bit of an irritant cough at times when vaping. Most of it is probably left over from 51 yrs of heavy smoking plus 20 yrs exposure to cleaning solvents. Think I'll try 75/25 and see how it does. Been doing 50/50 since I started mixing my own 4 months ago. A little worried that I'll start having problems with gooey cartos like Berger and Ry with the heavier mix, but what the hay. | Awe, I'm sorry you're having such a bad time. | |
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11-15-2011, 09:20 PM
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#13 | | Hypervaporation in effect Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Deep in the Heart of the greatest state in the Union
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Originally Posted by creote46 thanks for the thought, ww. Still have a bit of an irritant cough at times when vaping. Most of it is probably left over from 51 yrs of heavy smoking plus 20 yrs exposure to cleaning solvents. Think I'll try 75/25 and see how it does. Been doing 50/50 since I started mixing my own 4 months ago. A little worried that I'll start having problems with gooey cartos like Berger and Ry with the heavier mix, but what the hay. | Its a trade off for sure. But we might as well enjoy it the best we can, is the way I look at it. I mean think about what we stopped. Not like it could ever be worse. My cough is also do in large part to 30 years of Marlbs. Half of which were Reds. I also notice, my little colds turn into full blown upper resp tract infections. Like the one I am currently getting over. Seems like they last for weeks. Ack
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11-15-2011, 09:24 PM
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#14 | | Hypervaporation in effect Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Deep in the Heart of the greatest state in the Union
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| Love the avatar Rose.
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11-15-2011, 11:47 PM
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#15 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Philadelphia, PA
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Originally Posted by Rose Awe, I'm sorry you're having such a bad time. | Started with stolen Chesterfield Kings. Switched to Chesterfield Regulars and stayed with them except for maybe a year on Pall Mall. When the Chesterfield Regulars became hard to find I switched to Camels. Didn't switch to Marlboro Lights until 15 years ago. As a side note, Mrs. Langerfeld, (the source of the Chesterfield Kings...I was 13) was considered a heavy smoker at the time. Her consumption was 2.5 to 3 packs a day.
My wife says that my smoker's cough is completely gone, and only have that dry vaper's cough occasionally. Also find that the inside of my lower lip has a tendency to get irritated if I neglect fluids while vaping and working for long stints. Self knowledge has always been elusive so I usually depend on others feedback. ex: Get all cranked up in the middle Saturday morning and start getting frisky and my wife is busy paying the bills. She just smiles and says, "Your hungry, go eat some cookies."
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11-16-2011, 01:11 AM
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#16 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Houston, Tx.
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Originally Posted by creote46 Started with stolen Chesterfield Kings. Switched to Chesterfield Regulars and stayed with them except for maybe a year on Pall Mall. When the Chesterfield Regulars became hard to find I switched to Camels. Didn't switch to Marlboro Lights until 15 years ago. As a side note, Mrs. Langerfeld, (the source of the Chesterfield Kings...I was 13) was considered a heavy smoker at the time. Her consumption was 2.5 to 3 packs a day.
My wife says that my smoker's cough is completely gone, and only have that dry vaper's cough occasionally. Also find that the inside of my lower lip has a tendency to get irritated if I neglect fluids while vaping and working for long stints. Self knowledge has always been elusive so I usually depend on others feedback. ex: Get all cranked up in the middle Saturday morning and start getting frisky and my wife is busy paying the bills. She just smiles and says, "Your hungry, go eat some cookies." | Hey everybody, Thanks for the feedback...really good info, I can Identify with the PG being a irritant to my throat and taste buds. I would like to try mixing my own but not sure how to go about it. Would any body be willing to sell me a mixture of 75% VG and 25% PG I will be happy to pay not only for the Juice but also for time, gasoline to run to the post office and of course all shipping cost, I can send money order up front. I like a mild tobacco flavor with the slightest hint of a sweet taste with clean finish...I think my taste buds are numb at this point and my throat feels like someone took sandpaper to it. LOL.
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11-16-2011, 01:38 AM
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#17 | | Why So Serious ? Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Almost Heaven WV
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| What nic strength do you vape craig?
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11-16-2011, 02:14 AM
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| Buy a bottle of what you like in PG base, and a bottle in VG base.
Same strength, mix together, try it.
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11-16-2011, 02:37 AM
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#19 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Houston, Tx.
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Originally Posted by Rocketman Buy a bottle of what you like in PG base, and a bottle in VG base.
Same strength, mix together, try it. | Rocket whats happnin...you are a late bird to I see, I think I will do that. I just have to settle for something that taste better than the USA mix it a bit to harsh and the Nic level at 36 mg is gettin just a tad bit old. Wish there was a supplier out there that sold small kits with several flavors so I could find my groove without paying a $100's greenbacks.
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11-16-2011, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Pit Vaper What nic strength do you vape craig? | 36mg but that is starting I think to make me sick, Think I need a much lower level. How about you what type juice do you smoke and the strength?
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11-16-2011, 02:42 AM
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#21 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| I find buying lots of samples gets expensive.
Try to find an one flavor you like. Then mix little samples with a second.
I find two flavors can compliment each other.
As long as one of them is
NOT Tiramisu
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11-16-2011, 03:55 AM
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#22 | | Alright, Who Farted!!?? Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by johnny For me I have always been a PG guy. VG to me is to thick and just doesn't have the throat hit that PG does. I love that throat hit! | Not gonna leave poor Johnny here hangin'....
I too use straight PG and rather like the strong throat hit.
I've mixed 50/50 using 510 atty's, but found in certain instances that VG gives a NASTY soapy taste to my juices. PG doesn't won't give you that disgusting 'soap' flavor like VG does.
Technically, even though PG and VG seem similar, they're quite different chemically and their uses commercially aren't even close. VG is a commonly used as a skin moisturizer and soap base, while PG has the opposite affect as is a type of alcohol. It is commonly used as a flavor carrier, a de-icer and a coolant. PG is also being vaporized/used in hospital ventilation systems as its been proven to disinfect the air in close quarters and prevents the spread of airborne viruses.
I like the thick, fluffy vapor that VG produces, but I just can't stand the soapy after taste! I like PG's disinfectant properties, as it prevents me from contracting colds and viruses, albeit having a much dryer throat (I just drink more water). I've been using straight PG for the last year and haven't been sick once, so that's definitely a BONUS!
But like everyone had already stated, its all matter of taste and vaping comfort....
If you like the taste of USA mix Blue, (I'm with ya there, mate!), then diluting with a little VG and trying it may just be the thing for you? Do a 50/50 mix using your 36mg USA....say 20mls of USA + 20mls of VG = 18mg PG/VG USA mix. Vape it and see how it tastes, ya know?
Mixing juice is only 'risky' when you're mixing high concentrations of unflavored nic juice.
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11-16-2011, 09:10 AM
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#23 | | Hypervaporation in effect Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Deep in the Heart of the greatest state in the Union
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Originally Posted by blueaussie Wish there was a supplier out there that sold small kits with several flavors so I could find my groove without paying a $100's greenbacks. | Rob at GCV has a starter kit for like 20 bucks. Dunno it gets any cheaper. And perfect advice was just given twice in the previous posts. Mellow out your mix a little with PG/VG.. whichever  .. I have found that this can even turn a okay juice to a really good juice IMO.
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11-16-2011, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by wetwire Rob at GCV has a starter kit for like 20 bucks. Dunno it gets any cheaper. And perfect advice was just given twice in the previous posts. Mellow out your mix a little with PG/VG.. whichever .. I have found that this can even turn a okay juice to a really good juice IMO.
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11-16-2011, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Hou998 WW!! I was not ready to announce about hardware LOL . Blue and others..I am receiving a SmokTech order today and waiting for another order to be filled before putting anything up on the site. I will only have a limited selection of hardware at first given I am a small vendor which is no secret on this forum. I would like to thank everyone here for their business and without it I would not be able to expand so thank you guys and gals. Blue, my apology to you sir | Rob-Do you have a brick and mortar here in town?
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