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Old 07-12-2011, 03:00 PM   #1
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Vapor Corp. which is parent company to Smoke 51, Green Puffer, Krave and EZ Smoker would like to inform you that we have the highest paying affiliate program in the industry. You will receive a minimum of 31% commission on all sales minus shipping charges. These clients will be your clients for life as well so every time they come back to buy filters you will receive credit for that sale. To receive more information and sign up please go to Affiliate Program. Your affiliate account will work for all 3 of our sites Electronic Cigarettes | Starter Kits - Cigarette Refills - Distributorship, Home Page Greenpuffer and Home Page Krave. If you have any questions you can send an email as well to affiliates@smoke51.com.
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Old 07-12-2011, 05:11 PM   #2
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Vapor Corp. which is parent company to Smoke 51, Green Puffer, Krave and EZ Smoker would like to inform you that we have the highest paying affiliate program in the industry. You will receive a minimum of 31% commission on all sales minus shipping charges. These clients will be your clients for life as well so every time they come back to buy filters you will receive credit for that sale. To receive more information and sign up please go to Affiliate Program. Your affiliate account will work for all 3 of our sites Electronic Cigarettes | Starter Kits - Cigarette Refills - Distributorship, Home Page Greenpuffer and Home Page Krave. If you have any questions you can send an email as well to affiliates@smoke51.com.
Are you kidding me? This has to be a joke. $189.95 for a 51 kit, $159.95 for a Green Puffer kit, and although the Krave has the camo my heart has long been searching for, so would not pay $15.95 for a disposable pv or sell one. They would come back and kill me in my sleep. I just don't see the price justification in these style pvs. If I'm going to fork out $100+ for a pv, I want something like hagstoms mods with VV, replaceable batteries, and accommodates 510 cartos from suppliers of my choice. Sorry, but these just smell fishy to me.
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Old 07-13-2011, 07:56 AM   #3
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All of our rechargeable batteries and battery chargers have a lifetime warranty. So we may have a little higher of an initial cost in comparison to some companies but our warranty more then makes up for it. If you buy just one of our 2 battery kits you will never need to buy another PV ever again.
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Old 07-13-2011, 08:46 AM   #4
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does the owner have to send it back for replacement? considering I can by a 510 battery for 9.00 makes me wonder the economy in that..
even thats way high in comparison to an average 14650 replaceable battery with about 3-4 times the mahs

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Old 07-13-2011, 08:51 AM   #5
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Yes but we cover the cost of shipping it back to the client. The only thing the client will ever have to pay for is to have it shipped back to us.
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I looked at your Smoke 51 site.
If the lifetime warranty is the big selling point to justify the price why don't you have that plastered all over the site?
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:20 AM   #7
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Yes but we cover the cost of shipping it back to the client. The only thing the client will ever have to pay for is to have it shipped back to us.
Hello, I do BBB searches on all companies I find questionable. I searched these companies and even though they are not members of the Better Business Bureau, they all have F ratings. The BBB also lists greenpuffer.com, Smoke 51, Smoke Anywhere, LLC as alternate business names.

Do you care to explain why these companies have such poor customer service and business practices that the BBB rates them as an F? Why do all these people feel ripped off if you offer lifetime warranties?
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Old 07-13-2011, 09:37 AM   #8
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The majority of those complaints are more then 2 years old. At the beginning the company did run a trial and received a larger response then anticipated and may not have been fully prepared. Since then we have built a large customer service department and take calls 24/7.There may have been issues in the beginning but we have overcome those issues. As you may know the BBB is a private organization and will usually not give you a good rating unless you pay them $$$$.
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:02 AM   #9
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Mike, care to comment on how much you bribed...err payed the BBB? A- rating only because of the amount of time the business has existed...

I have a friend who purchased his first and last ecig from Vaporcorp somewhere around 2007 RepEC51, and after it worked for 4 days before the battery stopped charging, he gave up on vaping, I still can't convince him to try it again. Care to comment more on the warranty return process so that I can at least urge him to do so?
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We will be happy to replace the battery or the charger for his kit. No matter if he bought it in 2007 or yesterday. Tell him to give us a call at 888-766-5351 to get an RMA#.
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Directly from greenpuffer.com:

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Disclaimer of Warranties and Limitation of Liability

This Site and all information, content, materials, products, software and services included on or otherwise made available to you through this Site are provided by Greenpuffer.com or its affiliates on an "as is" basis, unless otherwise specified in writing. Greenpuffer.com and its affiliates make no representations or warranties of any kind, express or implied, as to the operation of this Site or the information, content, materials, products, software or services included on or otherwise made available to you through this Site, unless otherwise specified in writing. You expressly agree that your use of this Site is at your sole risk.

To the full extent permissible by applicable law, Greenpuffer.com and its affiliates disclaim all warranties, express or implied, including, but not limited to, implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for a particular purpuse. Greenpuffer.com and its affiliates do not warrant that this Site; information, content, materials, products, software, or services included on or otherwise made available to you through this Site; their services; or email sent from Greenpuffer.com are free of viruses or other harmful components. Greenpuffer.com and its affiliates will not be liable for any damages of any kind arising from the use of this Site or from any information, content, materials, products, software or services included on or otherwise made available to you through this Site, including but not limited to direct, indirect, incidental, punitive, and consequential damages, unless otherwise specified in writing.

Certain state laws do not allow limitations on implied warranties or the exclusion or limitation of certain damages. If these laws apply to you, some or all of the above disclaimers, exclusions, or limitations may not apply to you, and you might have additional rights.

Greenpuffer™ reserves the right to change any and all content contained on this Site at any time without notice.

The Greenpuffer™ lifetime replacement warranty guarantees replacement of batteries at no cost for items purchased directly from Vapor Corp. through Greenpuffer.com or over the phone. Replacement of items purchased through any of Greenpuffer™'s resellers or affiliates will incur a $12.95 processing fee.
Not just shipping then?
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Old 07-13-2011, 11:07 AM   #12
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That fee only applies to those that did not purchase it directly from one of our sites. That is a standard account setup fee. If the product was purchased from one of our sites that fee will not apply and all the client will have to pay is to have the product shipped to us.
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Exactly, certainly makes being an affiliate less attractive though.
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Why would it make being an affiliate less attractive? Affiliates are responsible for generally providing internet traffic so the clients they are bringing will be purchasing from one of our websites so they will be entitled to the warranty without having to pay the $12.95. Also as an affiliate the clients you bring in will be clients for life so every time they purchase filters or any accessories you will receive credit.
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OK so now its a 12.95 plus at least 3-4 bucks shipping and a huge wait time (if you needed that battery while your other was charging) ..damn..that warranty ain't so attractive but that's just my personal opinion...
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As I stated previously that $12.95 charge is only a 1 time account setup charge and is only charged to those that did not purchase the product directly from one of our sites.
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Wow! Only $12.95 to set up my account, when every other vendor I deal with for my e-cigs sets up my account for free!?! What a deal, sign me up now.
Say, how much would you charge me to anally rape me against my will? I bet there's a great price on that too!
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Old 07-13-2011, 12:56 PM   #18
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Hey..but the .6ml cartos from first ***** on the RN4081's last 1-1/2 to 2 packs of cigarettes (18mg high I assume) on their website

I guess they are assuming if you eat them but considering each analog has an actual absorption of approx 1-2 mg but contain 9 mg of nicotine Im still a little fuzzy on how their math worked out on that particular claim...considering the absorption rate for vaping is somewhat in the same neighborhood my dyslexic math gets me around 5 cigarettes per carto (maybe). I'm not sure though...anybody notice a change in the number of cigarettes per pack nowadays.... did they reduce it and I missed it?

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Interesting customer complaint burying, err... I mean customer service tactics then have here.... Scroll down folks.

Smoke 51 Complaints

My name is Kiki!!!

But ok, maybe this is a legitimately turned around company, after all, most of the complaints were two years ago, as stated. NOT!

smoke 51 | ComplaintsBoard.com

Some complaints that seem much more current, or a problem with merchant account (affiliate?) you be the judge. I did notice some mention of Lux Ecigs running the trial on this site and another:

smoke 51 | ComplaintsBoard.com

Notice the usernames there? Well now, which offer was it anyway, and how is it that the responder is so knowledgeable about not just one, but two scams reported on, just by the information on the OP? There wasn't much there was there? Now lets track down that number for NuAge or Lux ecig.

Here's one search result...
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-877-766-5306
great, sent to a customer service number that's scamming on outgoing calls! Now the date of that post is significant...

Lets try the complaints board to see what they have to say about LUX E cig...

LUX E cig | ComplaintsBoard.com

so wow, that scam is still going on, and you're still referring people to a known scam associated phone number to resolve the issues with them? Was Lux E cig an affiliate gone rogue? LOL

So in comparison, just to finalize the facts... (look for that all too familiar username folks!)

From January 2010:
smoke51 Complaints - Unauthorized charges

to almost June 2011:
Smoke 51 Complaints - sending and billing product that we never ordered and it taked out of our bank

you've been posting excuses for erroneous, illegitimate and unwanted credit card charges?

Well, I'd think if Smoke51 didn't want to be associated with a scam and wanted to clean up their business name, they wouldn't sell to customers revending their product on premises of BS scams, that's at least over a one year window, and apparently its still going on!

If I were you and had to type out "We'd like to make this right" or "please contact our customer service so we can help you resolve this issue" I'd have long since found a new job.

Don't get me wrong, I'm sure you stand behind your company(s). Again and again as you ship and bill, ship and bill!

Like Hirez said, where do I sign up?
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Old 07-13-2011, 02:56 PM   #20
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Wow, I knew something smelled fishy. Decided to check Rip Off Report. Guess these can be added to the list too rg. Always good to let people know what they are getting into.

smoke 51 | Ripoff Report | Complaints Reviews Scams Lawsuits Frauds Reported

smoke anywhere | Ripoff Report | Complaints Reviews Scams Lawsuits Frauds Reported

greenpuffer | Ripoff Report | Complaints Reviews Scams Lawsuits Frauds Reported
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Old 07-13-2011, 03:00 PM   #21
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Vapor Corp owns Fifty-One™, Krave™, EZ Smoker™, Smoke Star™ and Green Puffer™ brands according to their own web site page

of course smoke star offers free trials..
looks like Vapor Corp has pretty much single handily been behind most of all the e-cig scams

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Wasn't overly obvious, was it? This one took some digging!
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