Winniepooh1970

Hi I am Stephanie but I have always been called Poohbear or just Pooh.

I have no idea about this ecig thing, I know I want to quit the real thing and do not have the will power to do it on my own. My friend and I decided that we would try ecigs. We have been looking a several, I have been looking at Safecig and she is looking at one call Joycig. Neither one of us want to do liquid refilling.

Any advice here?

xgregx

Welcome Pooh.
Refilling is the most economical way to vape.

Keep posting your questions, there are alot of folks here to help.

Winniepooh1970

What about either one of these models. What are the model numbers for them? Are there better cheaper ones out there?

xgregx

Hey Pooh,
I am a supplier, so my opinions will be in favor of the products I sell, of course.
You can read about different models here E-Cigarette Models
And you can checkout the Supplier Hype! too.

Rocketman

Winnie (and friends), welcome to Vapeatron.

If the models you are looking at can not be cross referenced to a standard model, you may be getting yourself into a proprietary nightmare. Look for compatibility to Joye (with an E) 510 or maybe a KR808D-1. Pretty standard stuff. That will matter later on.

Refilling isn't that bad. Try cartomizers and a little juice to start. I've found most prefilled carts to be old and taste yukky (spell checker accepted that ?).
You can always top off a prefilled and dilute the yukky. Get some juice just in case.

again, welcome.

Steampunk

Generally if there is not a model number I don't look at it, unless I can figure th model out. (I have a nasty habit of burning out atomizers in 3-7 days, and at $8 each...the idea is to keep it CHEAPER than smoking as well...)

It looks similar to a 510 model. However, they're selling refills for $12, and 510 refills are ~$9. One refill (cartridge, or, in this case, Cartomizer) should last a day, maybe more, so that's over $2 a day. Better than cigs, but I would look into a 510, or, even better and eGo or a PigCig from LeCig.

Here's something I posted a few months ago. I'm always on the lookout for "The Best" ecig (for me, anyway) so I have tried a lot of them. Thee summation of my experiences to that point may be found here:

Some observations and notes

Look at your smoking, habits, what you smoke and how you smoke and see if you can match it to something.

As far as refilling, it saves LOTS of $$$ and is not as hard as it sounds. Plus, I didn't like the juice in the prefills and I can tailor the flavor and nic level to what suits me better. It's not that hard unless you go the the Ceramic style cartomizers; they are a pain, but are good otherwise.

Welcome aboard, and good luck!

Oh...avoid "Free Offers" like the plague!

RY4

Hey Pooh and welcome. The e-liquid refilling is where you will save money. The prefilled cartomizers do not last very long. I went through several models before ending with the Joye EGO (510 model). The 900mah battery lasts me 1 1/2 days on average with constant vaping. The 650mah last a day for me. Also, you may check with Lecig. He sells the PigCig (808 model but works just like the EGO). He can also help you with any questions and is very trustworthy. You can find him in the supplier hype section.

I don't know much about the models you mentioned but be careful with who you buy from and the type of e-cig. you buy. Those look like some of my first purchases and they had no batter life. I would have at any given time 3 charging at once. Pain in the bottom and you don't want to be frustrated with your model as it will make you want to go back to smoking. At least it did for me. I currently switch between 2 EGO batteries and use cartomizers and refill with e-juice.

Winniepooh1970

How oftern do you have to get new cartomizers? That is a 2 piece system right?

Steampunk

Yeah. If you look at the post I linked to, I go into a bit more detail. People try cleaning them, flushing them, etc, but why? I pay ~$1.75 each, after a week when they gum up or taste bad, open a new one!

My expenses for vaping per day are about 17 cents for the cartomizer, and maybe 30-50 cents for juice. I have BOGE 510 cartomizers I carry with me, 2 ohms for battery power and 3.4 ohms for the pass thru in the car. I like them, and they're ~$8 for 5. That lasts me at least 5 weeks; sometimes I get 10 days or more from them. (Just to clarify, that's 7-12 days PER CARTOMIZER. So a 5 pack lasts a month or so. That's $8 a month for cartos!)

And, yes, it is a 2 piece unit, like the one you were looking at. MY favorite is the 510, but I burn out atomizers (people tell me they get theirs to last 2-4 months; I think they're lying (bikes...) ), so I have 510 stuff, and get matching cartomizers.

Filling on the cartomizers is simple: I fill them from blank with a syringe, and then drip onto the filler after that.

Good luck with your endeavor. I still can't break the smoking habit (When I started vaping I was smoke-free for about 3 weeks or so) but I have cut down to 2-5 cigs a day from 12-14 a day.

Winniepooh1970

Thank you for all the info!!! still a little confused but starting to understand more about it. The 510n in a manual batteries right? What is the difference in the mega and the reg, does taste change between the 2 of them?

Sorry lots of dumb questions.
Pooh

40bikes

Pooh, welcome to the neighborhood we'll try to help as much as we can.
Let me give you a head start on the vocabulary of vaping. All of the experts aroung here are trying to impress you with the knowledge they have. ENH, maybe. Most do better with words of 3 syllables, less is better . So you need to know what they are talking about when they whip their entirely foreign vocabularly on you.

ElectronicCigarettes (ecigs) or (PV: personal vaporizer)
These have 2 or 3 main parts:
1) Atomiser (atty): provider the heat to vaporize the E-Liquid (juice)
2) Cartridge(cart): this is the reservoir for your juice which is pulled by suction down to the atty to be atomised. A cartomiser (carto) is a single piece that includes the atty and cart.
3) battery(batt or batty)rovides the energy to cause the atty to heat up so the juice will be atomised or vaporized
Some batts are automatic(auto) which don't have abutton but are controlled by a micro processor that turns the atty on when you suck on the PV the little computer may decide for you when you are through with the drag and will turn the vaping cycle off for you(kind of irritating).
Other batts are manual and there is a switch you depress to warm the juice in the atty.
Feels good to be in control doesn't it.
(nic) is nicotine which is dissolved in the juice base liquid.
The base liquid is water soluable and may be propylene glycol (PG) or vegetable glycerin(VG) plus flavorings. Recipes may very greatly but can and usually include PG and VG
VG tends to give more vapor but less flavor
PG tends to give better flavor less vapor and more of the smoking sensation at the back of your throat this is called TH(throat hit) and may be increased with higher nic or PG levels in the juice. And adding pure grain alcohol (PGA) can be used to dilute juices(VG is very thick) and PGA also increases TH (throat hit).
If you are really set on an ecig that looks like a regular smoke and ash cigarette(analog) you had better get 2 or 3 starter kits because the batts don't last long enough to approach the "convenience" of analogs. (smokes are analogs because of the digital controlers on ecigs) Someone recommending an ego ecig is trying to get you to try a PV with a battery 5 or 6 times as long lasting as a cigarette sized ecig. This will aid in the success you have in transitioning to vaping.
Using an ecig is vaping, our smoke is vapor, we are vapers and we're glad your here.
I have tried to give you a kindergarden education with enough information to under stand
what the heck we're talking about. We hope you stick around to get a masters degree.

Winniepooh1970

Okay I am getting this!!! I need the batt to last a long time I smoke about a pack a day. I smoke VS 120 Menthol right now so they are longer than normal. I think for me it is more of a something to do with my hands and the cool of the menthol hitting throat.

Thanks for putting up with me!

Flashwitt

Hey Pooh- welcome. You really did come to the right place- and if you want to quit analogs, I honestly don't think there is a better way- my opinion only, of course.

If you want a regular set-up that isn't complicated to work with, and long battery life, you'll want probably to look at a Joye 510, an eGo, or a Joye Mega 510 or mega eGo. Everyone here will tell you- the eGo and Mega batts will definitely last longer. My preference for the 510 is mostly that it's cheaper, smaller, and extremely compatible with other pv.s (Many, if not most mods use either a 510 or a 901 atty, so when I graduate to a mod, I'll still be able to use what I have, as well as continue to shop with suppliers I've already built a relationship with.)

Several folks here will point you toward cartomizers, and they may be right for you. I bought one batch, and learned immediately that I hated them. If you hate them like I do, you have other options. You can buy prefilled cartridges and separate atties, and you can refill cartridges, too. (And yes- you can buy empty ones with foam filling that you can fill with your own liquid, and they are super cheap, too.) Or, you can go the slightly more adventurous, sometimes messy route of dripping, which means you use an atomizer, and instead of a cartridge or cartomizer, you snap on a thing called a drip tip, which is just a mouth piece with an opening you literally drip your e-liquid into, so that you're vaping just a few drops at a time. It's best for flavor, but can be fussy, since you have to stop every 5 or 10 puffs to drip in more. It can also be messy, since it's very easy to spill, miss-drip, or overfill by just a drop or two, and that ends up leaking onto your hands.

Whatever you choose, remember- it's not that hard to switch if one method isn't working well for you, and the money you'll save on analog cigarettes will be two or three times more than the expense of juices, and exploring the new vaping world!

quasimod

I was a menthol smoker, as well. There are some fairly strong menthol flavored juices out there, and making menthol flavoring is cheap and easy (if you're interested in mixing your own eliquids just ask, it's like cooking and chess: easy to learn, difficult to master). Menthol goes well with a surprising number of flavors besides tobacco. Vanilla, blueberry, orange, peach, etc. Sometimes a barely perceptable amount will "perk up" an otherwise forgettable flavor. My favorite was menthol-vanilla + sweetener. I say "was", because there's a funny thing about menthol... a lot of us get tired of it after we start vaping, and stop liking it. Also, many people who hated menthol cigarettes find they like to vape a little menthol from time to time.

Sorry, this isn't a very good "noob" subject, but it may give you some ideas for later.

The "strategy" I used to stop smoking that has also worked for a few others: I didn't try to quit. I just tried to generally vape more and smoke less. After 3 months, I was down from 3 packs per day to a couple of cigarettes per day. One day I realized that I had been forgetting to smoke at all. I hadn't smoked in a couple of weeks, and didn't want to. That was over a year ago, and I haven't wanted one since. I tried to take a hit off one of my wife's Marlb. Light 100's a few months ago, and I couldn't even fill my mouth with that foul tasting stuff. It was like I imagine the smoke from burning dumpster trash would taste. I win!

cheri518

Bikes - that vocabularly lesson is really good, since I'm still new I found it very informative. I suggest putting that in its own post where the newbies can see it right away. I appreciate the post even now! thanks for breaking it down.

cheri518

Pooh - welcome, I'm still really new to all of this but I can tell you that these people give great advice and have helped me alot. Good luck!

berger

Quasi as another menthol smoker (off analogs 6 months now yea) I would have called you blasphemous about not liking menthol a couple months ago....but your right, I am slowly drifting away more and more from the menthol. I find myself vaping it less then half the time now. I still like it as a change of pace just not all the time anymore. I personally think its easier for a menthol smoker to make the switch to e-cigs as the menthol tastes exactly like menthol and the tobacco part doesn't matter so much. If we had liked that in analogs we wouldn't have been smoking the menthol in the first place LOL. Thanks for the other flavors to mix with menthol I'll have to give some of those a go too.
WTP - welcome and good luck, I only wished I had come here first before I bought stuff like you have. Could have saved some money up front but either way Im still really glad I did make the switch.
One other tidbit of advice. Try a bottle of Vapor Renu's custom blend double flavor menthol. Its super duty menthol you can cut with other tobacco flavors if you like but the key is it is menthol, not minty at all and was the closest thing I found to the actually analog menthol taste and feel. It can be kinda over powering later when you get your taste and smells back but its a good place to start along with other stuff IMHO. Also the CE2 cartos are great I think. Pain to fill but the XL's last me all day and have the best vapor again IMHO.

jerrydon10

Pooh, you can do like many of us have done and spend hundreds finding the right ecig for you or you can go ahead right now and just buy the best.

In my experience that boils down to just a few models and these are the most popular--the leaders of the pack:

Model 510--The standard 510 supplies good throat hit, but the battery life is short (an hour or two in most cases) so you will need several batts (or some kind of portable charger) to get you through the day. Of course, if you are a stay at home Mom and around a charger all day, this may be no big deal.

But you can move up by getting a 510 with the mega batteries. Theses batts are good for 3 or 4 hours--much better.

Then there is the ego/tornado (can go by either name depending on the vendor). This is a 510 with a super batt and some report it lasting a full day (about 7-8 hours for me).

The above are all 3 piece models consisting of the batt, an atty and a cartridge, but you can buy cartomizers for them where the atty is built into the cartridge. You will discover that you won't mind refilling these using your own juice and many of us don't refill at all--we just drip.

Dripping is where you place a couple of drops in the atty, a couple on the filler in the cartridge and you are good for maybe the equivalent of 3 cigarettes.

But, as mentioned above, the KR808D-1 is very popular and I find it to be especially so with the ladies. If you don't want to fiddle with anything---just vape and fogetaboutit.....this may be the one for you.

You will find any of the above to be good e-cigs--depending on your wants and needs.

quasimod

I hadn't thought of it that way, but it makes sense to me.

tek

ok so i thought i posted some thing here. i guess i screwed it up.

Rose

Welcome Pooh!
I'm so glad you found us. You will get more personal advice here than with the larger forums. I have been vaping since Sep/Aug. Just like Quasi, I find myself smoking less and less. I rarely smoke a whole analog anymore. It takes some peoplre longer than others to make the switch. I started out with a KR808-D. I believe that it aided me in getting accustomed to the vaping experience. Most people, starting out, want a model that "looks" like a cigarette. As time goes on, battery life, vape production, and throat hit outweigh the need for an analog clone.
I now use an Ego and LR boge cartomizers that I refill. If you want to try prefilled carts, go ahead. Just don't get dicouraged if you don't like the taste. Good Luck!!!!

HiRezL

But if you clean and refill, it's even less . . . I haven't had a cartomizer fail yet, so their costs amortizes out to negligible over time, and I really am just paying for juice . . . maybe $1 a day in juice.

berger

Steam's view is a little skewed due to premature atty detonation syndrome

quasimod

Steam has a big-battery mod the size of a Plymouth, with an Igor switch on one side. When he vapes, lightening goes in all directions like a Tesla Coil, and he says, "It's alive... IT'S ALIVE, muahahahaha!"

Or maybe that just happened in my head...

40bikes

Quasi, Steam quit making Plymouth sized mods, now just Dodge and Chrysler sized