Hello! Newb here!

Allestaria · 10-06-2009, 11:54 PM

Hello all!

I'm new duh! But I haven't started vaping yet as my e cig is on the way. Got a 901 in pink from The Electronic Cigarette Company. After watching reviews I decided on this one. And some a juice sample pack from Johnson Creek again from reviews.

I'm nervous and excited at the same time! I've been looking to get rid of the cancer sticks for a while now and I think this is my ticket. Now I just have to stock up just incase fda has their way.

I am a business owner. I work with PG and VG in my bath body products. My VG is used in making lip gloss. Flavored and sold to kids. So if anyone is interested in getting ahold of a gallon size VG let me know. PG is used in my soaps. It keeps them from drying out and becoming stale. It also adds bubbles..LOL
The VG I use is food grade (umm duh) and makes a great flavored lip gloss. Which reminds me. I can get my own e juice flavoring...

So on that note has anyone tried using commercial grade flavoring? The kind I get can flavor 100 lip balms. Thats just the one ounce size of flavoring. These flavorings are formulated to work with VG. And are presweetened. I can order them from a different supplier unsweetened but I don't want a tart sour taste. The flavorings I have are not 'cut' they are straight up pure flavor.

sweett4rt · 10-07-2009, 12:06 AM

i'M NOT SURE SWEETEN FLAVORINGS WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE ATOMIZER oops cap lock sorry, but as I was saying the sweetener in the flavoring might be really bad on an atomizer.

And I quit smoking 3 packs a day the day I got my e-cig

so you can do it!!!

LeCig · 10-07-2009, 12:53 AM

I stopped smoking pack and a half my second day. Won't touch cigs anymore.

Allestaria · 10-07-2009, 12:57 AM

Yea I was wondering what it might do with the atty. Though I'll always have a spare or 2. Just incase.
I'm thinking if I drain it every night and keep it clean I might not have a problem.

Considering a lot of suppliers of flavor use a solvent to make flavor with. This is probably the more healthy way to go when it comes to flavoring. These flavorings are made with VG as its base then the flavoring is added to it.
Basically what I'm trying to say is VG is the carrier oil.

Which would explain why some people get better hits off of some flavoring then they do off of others... More VG in those flavoring and solvent in the others.
(my guess). Makes sense though!

sweett4rt · 10-07-2009, 01:08 AM

I'm just concerned about the sweetener burning onto the element and messing it up

but I am still a newbie myself and I don't know squat hehe

Kaye · 10-07-2009, 02:37 AM

Allestaria, hi and welcome. I just moved in December to GA to live with my 96-yr-old mother after 40 years in NM and I miss it like crazy. My daughter and all my close friends are there so I'll be visiting frequently, I hope. I started vaping with a 510 in June and quit smoking analogs the day I started vaping... and I haven't looked back. It's been amazingly easy to do, even after 2-packs-a-day for 50+ years so you're on the right track! As for flavors, some DIY-ers use Lorann's candy oils (not really oils but flavoring) and some use Capella's Flavor Drops (really concentrated and good). There may be others but those are the 2 recommended to me on the forum and I'm using both. Are your flavorings similar to either of those? VG is my preferred but... a gallon? How much is a gallon of VG? That might be a lifetime supply for someone my age. Of course, it could be a lifetime supply for anyone, I guess, since, as my sister says when the sportscasters say a ballplayer is "day to day": "Aren't we all?!" And Sweett4rt, you know one of the mad scientists on this forum will be letting us know soon if the sweetener in the flavor will hurt the attys. This forum is the best, isn't it?

Rocketman · 10-07-2009, 05:34 AM

Sweetener be bad.

Allestaria · 10-07-2009, 09:19 AM

A gallon is 128 ounces. Which would last a VERY long time..
The supplier I buy from charges 25 bucks. You can get as low as 4oz for 1.65.
4 oz that is 118ML for a buck 65.

Yes the gallon would last a LONG time. Shelf life if kept in a cool dark place (like a closet) is 5 years. But I don't keep mine that long.

I'll do some more research on Lorann? flavor and see what I can find.

sweett4rt · 10-07-2009, 10:33 AM

I would like to find the pure liquid nicotine for sale ..I have the VG and the Lorann flavoring (when I made Suckers hehe) and just make my own.

Where I have found it they want to sell me a kilogram what the heck is a kilogram?
I meant to say what do I need a freaking kilo for? or a drum a drum mind you!!!

Mwahahahahahahaha!!!
crap

LeCig · 10-07-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Allestaria

A gallon is 128 ounces. Which would last a VERY long time..
The supplier I buy from charges 25 bucks. You can get as low as 4oz for 1.65.
4 oz that is 118ML for a buck 65.

Yes the gallon would last a LONG time. Shelf life if kept in a cool dark place (like a closet) is 5 years. But I don't keep mine that long.

I'll do some more research on Lorann? flavor and see what I can find.

Where do you buy your supply from? I'm interested in trying to formulate my own juice

godling · 10-07-2009, 11:03 AM

The two big things to keep in mind when mixing your own flavors is that sugars (as well as other sweeteners I'm sure) and oils will gum up and eventually burn. Although it is NOT suggested, many people have no problem with sugars or oils ... but they also don't mind replacing atomizers every couple weeks.

LorAnns seems to be the standard for flavoring eJuice. I would love to hear about the flavors you buy ... where do you buy? How much? What kind of selection? ... I guess a website address would be most helpful

Allestaria · 10-07-2009, 12:24 PM

Ok ok ok..

I was reluctant on giving out my business information. But everyone understands profit..lol

I get my flavor oils from Bitter Creek North. And my VG from a company called Soaper Supplies out of El Paso Tx. NEITHER ONE OF THESE require a business license. And neither require an order limit. Both are family owned and operated. And wonderful people to work with. I've been doing business with both companies for about 2 years now.
Bitter Creek Candle Supply, Inc. - Flavor Oils | Kiss Kwenchers
Soaper Supplies: Vegetable Glycerin
There is also BrambleBerry that is another family owned and operated supplier. There oils are not sweetened. But do cost a bit more.

Why I'm asking about sugar flavored oils is because I have several in stock. And heck why not use what I already have.

I'm thinking if I wash my atty out nightly with something I might save it. Or just keep several on hand just incase.
Considering I wont be spending 60 bucks every 2 weeks on 2 cartoons of smokes plus gas to get to the reservation. I'll have some extra spending money. If I was still smoking my Marlbo lights I would have an even bigger chunk to spend on supplies.. Darn reservation smokes cost 1/2 the price.
Makes it harder to convince hubby to let me spend money on a good habit..LOL
He doesn't even know yet I spent 100 bucks on my 901..

LeCig · 10-07-2009, 12:36 PM

lol thanks Alle

I appreciate your sharing the info, I want to try to make my own juice eventually so I guess I'll give it a whirl soon enough

I'll let you know how it goes ...

Allestaria · 10-07-2009, 12:44 PM

No problem Mike.

These oils are super concentrated. Out of a 1oz flavor I can make about 100 lip balms. And believe me my lip balms are full of flavor..lol

The VG, Gosh I use it in my lip gloss which is eatable. I also use it in several other products. Down to bath salts. Its great for edible massage oil.. =)

Just take the flavored oil mix with the VG to taste. And have a umm fun night!
Now I'll be vapin it..hahaha

Rocketman · 10-07-2009, 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweett4rt

I would like to find the pure liquid nicotine for sale ..I have the VG and the Lorann flavoring (when I made Suckers hehe) and just make my own.

Where I have found it they want to sell me a kilogram what the heck is a kilogram?
I meant to say what do I need a freaking kilo for? or a drum a drum mind you!!!

Sweety, buy unflavored NIC juice in 36mg/ml strength (some like to buy 48, 60, or even 74mg/ml strength). You can get a really big 250 ml bottle from VtVapor. Pure Nicotine is 1005mg/ml strength. Leave a bottle of this open in a room and kill everyone from the vapors. Spill it on a wood floor and you will NEVER be able to go back in. Stick the end of your finger in the bottle and touch the pure liquid and DIE before the paramedics could get to you.

Get the drift? You do NOT want pure Nicotine.

The Rocket

sweett4rt · 10-07-2009, 10:19 PM

Partypooper!!!

But I'm glad you cared enough to tell me LOL

Generic · 10-07-2009, 10:43 PM

Ye gads! Y'all are scaring me, the resident nic fiend, with all this "pure nicotine" talk!

Rocketman is giving it to you straight- don't even *think* about pure nic!

If you want to mix your own juice, and who doesn't- it's fun!- buy yourself a bottle or ten of premixed unflavored juice. It is readily available in 36mg/ml, 48 mg/ml, and 60 ml/mg. Add flavoring, knock it down to your preferred strength with some PG and/or VG, maybe a wee lil bit of vodka or better yet grain alcohol, and there you have it- homebrew juice!

Bitter Creek- there's a name I haven't head in a while. I used to buy fragrances from them when I was making candles. Great outfit to do biz with for sure. Be VERY careful, though, and read those labels, as it would vbe VERY easy to confuse frangrances with flavors. Strawberry fragrance is NOT the same as strawberry flavor! While this might be elementary to some it is an easy mistake for a newbie flavorologist (I invented that word just now for little ol' YOU!) to make.

Regarding sugar/sweeteners and attys: NO! 'Nuf said there.

Re: cleaning attys: My experience say to leave 'em alone. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I would not recommend cleaning your atty every night. I clean mine only when needed and they last a long time. When I DO need to clean one I soak it in alcohol for a few minutes, rince it in water, maybe soak it again if I think it needs it, rinse, let dry, and then prime with a couple drops of juice. A dry atty is an unhappy atty so keep 'em wet ladies. And gents...

Allestaria- I'm shocked (Shocked I tell ya!) that you are not familiar with Lorann Oils. They have all sorts of goodies for soaps, lip balm, candlemaking, etc., as well as flavoring. I live about an hour from their plant in Lansing, MI and they even have a walk-in retail store. Great company (might be kinda high on some things if I recall) and many great products. Check 'em out and be sure and buy me many lavish gifts "just because". Don't be bashful- everyone here on Vapeatron buys me things. That's just how we do it here, okay? Okay!

I'd like to extend a warm but generic Welcome! to all the new folks that have wandered, stumbled, or gracefully breezed in here recently - welcome to the Vapatron Forums and Home For Wayward Vapers and Vaperettes.

Okay I've prattled on quite enough but don't worry- I'll get wound up again in no time. Remember- "just because" and that goes for all of you.

Thanks and be well (and generous),

-Generic

Generic · 10-07-2009, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocketman

Sweety, buy unflavored NIC juice in 36mg/ml strength (some like to buy 48, 60, or even 74mg/ml strength). You can get a really big 250 ml bottle from VtVapor. Pure Nicotine is 1005mg/ml strength. Leave a bottle of this open in a room and kill everyone from the vapors. Spill it on a wood floor and you will NEVER be able to go back in. Stick the end of your finger in the bottle and touch the pure liquid and DIE before the paramedics could get to you.

Get the drift? You do NOT want pure Nicotine.

The Rocket

74??? Are you referring to Blip's @ 7.5%w/v?

Spill!

-Generic

Allestaria · 10-07-2009, 11:42 PM

Hi Generic,

I also order my candle fragrance from bitter creek. Though I have a better supplier that is cheaper and the fragrances for my soy candles are MUCH better.

Yes fragrance oils are a totally different subject. That is why I liked to the flavored oils that are ediable. Fragrance oils. Heck straight up burn my skin. They have even eatten through varnish ... wicked stuff.

Loranns shipping is a little high for me. I try to get my supples as close to NM as possible. Which I end up with soaper supply and Bitter Creek south. Ordering wax from a long distance is not cheap..lol.. Plus I like working with family owned operated businesses. Service is 100% better. I love calling and talking to real people. Even if the southern accents throw me for a loop.

This may seem odd to some people. I may be a smoker but I am not a drinker.. SO I have read that you need to use actual alcohol to clean these with. What kind? And do I need a lot? Can it be reused or should I toss it when I'm done? How long does it need to be in it?
A really sad question... I have read that the higher the "proof" the better.. So how do I know how much "proof" Or pure it is? My hubby before we met used to drink something called gold slugger?.. Will that work. How about that drink with the worm in it?

The only thing I ever drank was an Amaretto sour at a comedy club... ONCE! And found out I was allergic to it and haven't tried anything since.

I know I'm pathetic..LOL..

Generic · 10-08-2009, 12:07 AM

*Shrugs* If you're not a drinker you're not a drinker. Neither am I. I used to be and just lost my taste for it. It's cool...

For cleaning atties you can just use rubbing alcohol.

If you want to add a wee little kick a la "throat hit" to your homemade juice you can use just cheap rot-gut vodka or grain alcohol. "Everclear" is one brand although it is not available in some states and to add further confusion it is only avaliable in 75% in some states such as mine (Michigan). Don't use the "wormy" one- that's Tequila and in my experience it is a hallucinogen. Your mileage may vary.

I don't reuse the alcohol- I just put maybe 1/2 ounce in a cup and let the atty soak for a bit. Swish it around, rinse the atty, then dump the alcohol.

I too prefer smaller Ma & Pa outfits but it IS relaly nice to go up to Lansing, grab lunch, and pop in to Lorann's. Really nice and helpful folks. I just peeked at their site and yeah- they are pretty high. Shipping on wax IS brutal- those 50lb boxes weigh at least 50 lbs!

I miss making candles- broke up with my g/f (my candlemaking partner) and the candlemaking fell by the wayside. I've still got tons of supplies- winter is nearing so maybe I ought to fire up the Presto pot and pour a few and get myself a nice case of "candle nose"- it's been a while! We were just getting ready to ry working with Soy wax when we split up. Prio to that we used a lot of "comfort blend" I think it is called. Kinda the consistenccy of vaseline. Hard to handle but we lliked it- no wet spots and took a lot of fragrance and threw pretty darn well.

Yikes! It's past my bedtime- gotta get my beauty sleep!

Be well!

-Generic

Allestaria · 10-08-2009, 12:22 AM

Ahh I heard rubbing alcohol caused addys to not work properly. But I do carry 97% rubbing alcohol for my soaps. And that is a lot cheaper to get then the real stuff.

Shipping on 50lbs of wax costs me 37 bucks from Houston.. and thats only 12 hours away. And it still takes 3 days to get here... go figure..LOL

I love soy wax. No wet spots. Its ediable so I don't have to worry about the animals getting in to it. Throw is awsome! But it doesn't hold color as well as paraffin. But most go non dyed anyway because soy tends to frost. Not much you can do about frosting. Reheating just makes it way worse. But my customers don't care. They care about scent.
My dad converted my presto pot with a spout. Makes it so much easier!!!

Looks like I have a saturday delivery for my 901.. Probably will order some more attys just incase I ruin the 2 that come with it.

Ugg I can't wait..LOL. I so want off of these cancer sticks.

Generic · 10-08-2009, 07:09 PM

Rubbing alcohol is absolutely fine for cleaning. 97% will work great. Even 70% is okay to clean with. Just don't, under any circumstances, use it in homebrew juice!

Don't worry too much about cleaning BUT...

Clean your new atty BEFORE you use it! I repeat: CLEAN YOUR NEW ATTY!

They ship with some ungodly "stuff" on them. I think it is used motor oil from a WWII Sherman tank. Or worse...

Here is what I do with a new atty:

Twist up some paper towel and stuff it up inside the atty. Do NOT twist it once it is in there! (could damage the atty!) Blow hard thru the threaded end. Pull it out, twist up another corner and do it again and again until the paper towel comes out dry. Then give it a good soak in aoclohol. Really swish it around in there. Rinse with water. Flush with alcohol again. Rinse again and let it dry. Once it is good and dry set it on a paper towel threaded-end down. Drip in a bunch of e-juice. Just flood that sucker. Blow it out with paper towel and maybe flood it one more time. Blow it out again. Dry the threads off, install it onto battery, pop on a loaded cart, let it wick into the atty for minute and let 'er rip!

This sounds like a hassle. Go ahead- skip it. Enjoy the taste of WWII Sherman tank used motor oil...

Heh heh... It gonna be so hard to not skip the prep above cuz you're gonna want to try it out right away. I want your first hit to rock so take your time, prep your atty, and you will love it or double your money back!

Heck this is making me want to buy a new model just so I can be all happy and excited like a newbie again woo hoo!

Be sure and tell us how it goes for you ok?

Okay!

-Generic

Allestaria · 10-08-2009, 08:31 PM

Ok Generic,

My atty's are in alcohol right now. Soaking. While my battires are charging. And you were right.. They were very oilly. It was oozzing off of one of them. Its probably something to keep them from fading out while not in use I'm guessing.
These attys fit great in a step 1 baby food jar!!

So I should be vapin tomorrow!! Am excited kids are excited. Hubby is happy he doesnt have to drive 45 minutes to the reservation! whoot..

Generic · 10-08-2009, 09:33 PM

Aw heck you can get vapin' tonight!

You only need to soak 'em for a few minutes and you do not have to charge your batteries for 8 hours. Once the light turns to green (or whatever color your charges uses to indicate "ready") hook it up and let it rip!

Yep- that Sherman Tank Oil protects the atty until use. I always put a drop or two or regular juice on my unused atties when not in use. You'll pick up on all this tuff and have it down to a science in no time.

Woo hoo!

-Generic

Allestaria · 10-08-2009, 10:09 PM

They are sitting and waiting to be used.. The first go around with the rubbing alcohol I pulled off some rather yucky grey/black stuff. Next go around all clear!

They are still charging. Been an hour and a half.. I can't find any information on if they flash when they are charged or what. Guess its time for a youtube search.

My mini is pink!! and the tip lights up pink/purple. It did flash 5 times when I put it on the charger. The charger did a very short flash red and has remained blue since. (usb).

I'll give it another 30 minutes or so before I decide I don't want to wait any longer..LOL