JohnnyJames

They aren't weird, just not so slick shysters. When they first started selling Dekang liquids by CC, they never bothered to get their site encrypted. But folks kept on recommending them, all to save $2. Finally the word got out and they shut down for a bit and finally got secured. Then they went to selling 510's which they called the new and improved 'L2' and inferred it was a new model designed and by the the top manufacturers, Joye and SLB. Again people flocked to buy this 'improved' 510 kit for about $33... what a deal. An authenic Joye 510 kit could have bought for about $3 more from CigNot a very well respected supplier with a long list of satisfied customers.

These 'L2's"were simply the cheaper SLB/DSE 510's that had been around for a while. Many legitimate dealers had been selling the atties (properly labeled as DSE) as low priced alternative to Joye atties for a while. Comments had been mixed and they never really took off, even though they were cheaper.

SEJ then took to sending their shills out to hit any Joye 510 forum threads and recommend SEJ. Never any relevant comments posted, just singing SEJ's 510 praise and links. Eventually many of their shill's posts were deleted.

Now things got better, as the DSE 510 manual batts started sticking 'on' causing numerous meltdowns. Then when they went to 510 Mega Batts they said it was illegal to buy them in the USA (yea sure) but they were able to secure a supply. Maybe they were, but not Joye Megas.

Finally after all the flack and returns they basically gave up on their improved 'L2' and 'only they could get' secret 510 Megas.

But the damage had been done and now they have to constantly say.
BTW SEJ get a spell checker.

bigslick83

I know what you mean johhnyjames

I had to replace 2 peoples l2 kits, refund another one, and another two bats. Maybe that is why, when they messed up my 2nd order (for the 2nd time in a row, 2/2) they were so eager to send me a free L2 kit to make up for it. Luckly, they have switched back to joyes (i believe they are anyway). Hope everyone got something in return to make up for it. If you read their hookah flavor section, they talk about taking a break to hit the hookah, so I just dismissed it as stoner syndrome.

Dwellsouth

Thanks for the insight. It's like everybody oughta have feedback ratings like ebay does, huh? I'd like that!
So where can I get bubblegum, cotton candy, tutti fruitti that tastes like their stuff does? Where are they getting it?
What I'm making at home just doesn't have the sweetness I'd imagine or the consistency to go with it, i.e. my butterscotch is nowhere near as good as what I'd gotten from HC.
My Bavarian Creme rocks though...gotta say!

JohnnyJames

Well I think to make good flavors you need a few extra components, not just flavoring plus PG.

Maybe the addition of some Ethyl Maltol and some Acetyl Pyrazine will spruce up your liquids.

These folks are starting to get in the game (their new site seems jacked up).

Perfumer's Apprentice

Perfumers Apprentice - Professional Flavors for DIY

Perfumers Apprentice - Ethyl Maltol - crystalline powder - for diluted form, see below

Dwellsouth

Where do you find all this good stuff?! This is surely the missing link for my juice. How about some kind of tutorial on a DIY thread? So now I have nicotine juice, LorAnn flavoring and need a sweetener and PG or VG unflavored? Or would their flavoring REPLACE the LorAnn's? I just bought a small boatload (pirogue) of LorAnn flavors from Bettysgrocery.com (TY).

Dwellsouth

I called and talked to Linda about this and ordered some stuff. I'm looking forward to making some tobacco flavored for OM too.
But even better, I'm getting some graham cracker flavor to go with my chocolate and marshmellow I have.
I got sweetener and those crystal things.

Did I ever mention I hate to cook?! Good thing there's no cooking required here!

JohnnyJames

Just a little hint (keep it to yourself). Just a touch of chocolate (and/or ethyl Maltol) and maybe a smidgen of vanilla (probably vanillin actually unless you find a corn syrup/sugar free extract) may be the way to go. You don't want to actually taste either. Maybe some very subtle undertones at the most (sometimes on the exhale). You just want to soften/smooth the tobacco taste (especially if you are using a tobacco absolute product). Tobacco has been cured with sugar water since colonial times and chocolate has been added to commercial cigs for many years for just those reasons.

Those butter flavors are also good for smidgen use. Along with maple (and probably some other minor additions) seems to be the basis of the wildly popular 'Waffle juice' by Rath.

Playing around with the same ingredients in different proportions you might end up with a nice RY4 clone, still one of the most popular liquids out there. The American versions like Riskee juice and Taboo always seem to be sold out (and aren't cheap).

You should also get some plain PG and glycerin to test you first experiments. It should be close enough (no throat hit without the nic though). You could ask the pharmacist at Walgreens or Walmart for the PG. Tell them you need it for cigar humidors.