990rick

I'm about to buy a few e liquids from various venders and wonder what a good strength level would be. I'm kind of inclined to go for just below the maximum. I currently smoke a tobacco pipe, mild usage, about one bowl a day. Any suggestions?

Steampunk

Hard to say what your nic level would be. I would guess about 18 would be a good start.
I have 36mG, but boost it to about 40, but I was also a pack a day Camel smoker.

990rick

Yeah, that agrees with what I was thinking so I guess it's as good a place as any to start. Thanks. Oh, one more thing. In another thread you mention VT. There's Velvet Vapor and Vermont Vapor. Which were you referring to?

kvesicgirl

I agree, a 18 level would be a great place to start...You can always go down in nic level...If you find it too harsh buy a low or none nicotine juice and mix it so you are not wasting it...

Steampunk

Vermont. I really like their flavors.

990rick

Is there a coupon code for Vermont Vapor?

Dhileas

I like VT too, but I just don't so much VG. I really have come to prefer PG. A combo of the two sure, but I don't feel that VG gives as strong as a throat hit. I used to roll my own smokes, and the heavier muskier flavors were always the best. I really like the Organic Tobacconist at AwesomeVapor. That's probably the smoothest transition from tobacco smoke to tobacco-flavored vapor.

Steampunk

(rummages through desk) It's around here somewhere....

They have a first time buyer of 10% I think it is. Look in "Supplier Hype", I think you'll find it there.

Or, email them. They'll pass it along. They're good people.

quasimod

I concur, seems like most people are in the 12 - 24 range. I also agree with Kristin, get some higher and lower, find the level you prefer, then mix the other stuff to the proper strength. There will be plenty of help/advice available when you get to that stage.

Also, don't get married to your first impressions. You will likely change your mind a few times as you settle into "your groove".

berger

Yea, one bowl of pipe tobacco a day isn't much in overall one day nicotine...unless your talking a quart bowl then all bets are off LOL
I agree with the rest of the asylum 16-18 is a good starting point for your situation

Stepinwolf

I think Hans has one of those pipes
(yeah, around 18 is good, with only 1 bowl per day you may find 12mg enough)

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berger

I like Helga better

990rick

Well, I opted for getting some juice at 18-20 and some (same flavors) at 24. So we'll see. And I am talking a regular, medium sized tobacco pipe.

MattZuke

AFAIK pipe tobacco is around 8mg/gram. Flaming fags like Marb Light 100s and Camel Turkish Gold are around 16mg/pack. About 24mg/pack is typical for "full flavor". AFAIK pipe tobacco tends to have more nicotine/gram than cigarettes, which is typically 1/2 treated leaf, and about 1/4 reconstituted, and 1/4 filler.

berger

The nic levels in analogs doesn't correlate directly to vaping very well. Easier to look at it as roughly 2 mg per analog and about 20-30% absorption rate of e-juice

MattZuke

I personally agree with this, though there isn't really any hard and fast data. I found going medium (18mg/ml) my "nicotine" consumption is 50% higher than cigs.

But we are discussing pipe tobacco. While I got on pipe and rolling as a teen, I got lazy and found it was fags I craved and not quality tobacco.

berger

There is a lot of hard and fast data on analogs through big tobaccos studies released under the agreement. Turns out analogs have much more then 2 mg but thats all that get absorbed. Also showed most of the absorption was through the mouth and throat which is why I remembered it so vividly when comparing to vaping

990rick

Well, I've gotten quite a selection of juices and mixed strengths. Some 18-20, some 24, so we'll see. I've been waiting for over a month for my dse601 and it's still not here. Hopefully, my protopype will get here sooner. I'm really champing at the bit to get going on vaping, although I will admit to already having nostalgic feelings about my tobacco pipe. Which leads me to ask; what are other former pipe smokers' thoughts are on their satisfaction with vaping over smoking?

HiRezL

How do we absorb when vaping? I started vaping 24mg, have been gradually cutting back to 18mg, but I still feel the need for the occasional analog, I'm getting something from it I don't get from vaping . . . maybe I'm missing the tar and carcinogens

berger

Is it that light headed rush?

Dhileas

"I am actually pro-cursing. I think it's good. I think we should teach kids to curse, so they don't use drugs. It doesn't rot your brain. It doesn't get you pregnant. It doesn't kill you, like tobacco." - Paul Begala

berger

Must be an Irish thing - I agree

HiRezL

No, I get the rush from vaping. Better than I do from smokes, actually. I tend to need a smoke when the wife and/or kids are screaming, they seem to do a better job of calming me down than vaping does.

berger

The only solution for screaming kids is rum in their fruit juice

MattZuke

Which AFAIK doesn't cover little tobacco, which IS a different animal than cigarette tobacco, mainly a lack of ammonia sulfate which is the key in maximum nicotine absorption. There is typically no reconstituted tobacco, which is the refined treated juice applied to paper (~25%).

It's still a nasty dirty product, still highly addictive, still very unhealthy, but not in the same class as a refined treated product specifically designed to be as addictive as possible.