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Old 03-10-2009, 02:35 PM   #1
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So, there is definitely going to be a battle for the E-Cigarette and it's place in the world. Traditional cigarettes and tobacco products make A LOT of money for the companies that make them, the governments that tax them, and the stores that sell them. There are smoking opposition groups that believe e-smoking is a gateway to real smoking. Companies are advertising and marketing these things as quit smoking devices without the proper documentation or proof. Not to mention just pure anti-nicotine folks.

E-Cigs have been flat out banned in parts of Australia. Just this week, flat out banned in Hong Kong. The FDA is all of a sudden confiscating shipments that are improperly labeled. There are anti e-cigarette fluff pieces popping up in Newspapers all over the place, including the AP. Television news stories doing the same. All highlighting the "not tested" and "unproven" angles to the product.

These points are somewhat valid. However, if everyone is worried about the product's safety, why don't these health organizations, investigative journalists, politicians, et al, do a damn study all ready? So far, I am only aware of one scientific study on the actual product, and it's results were POSITIVE.

I think the reason is that they don't want it to succeed. Folks that don't want these products out there who have the ear of these journalists and politicians are whispering in their ears "Hey, you see this - not safe. Go tell someone."

On a less nefarious level, these folks are reacting first without research. A good "watch out, they aren't safe" story will get picked up, get more hits, sell more papers, get more views than a "look at this wonderful new gadget" one. And politicians, all you need is one loud focus group saying NO and it's gone. Not worth the trouble, plus brings you no money, no votes, and makes you look like the protector.

Couple those two scenarios, and the groundwork is laid for whoever doesn't want these things out there to swoop in and make sure they are not.

Anyway, this round of banning and media attention is just round one. I think we will see a lot more coming. Some horror stories of kids/pets getting into it, someone reacting negatively to the ingredients, some tainted juice. Units causing a fire. Freak things that will get highlighted as a high-level potential situation. Then a full on ban in EU/US. In all forms. Years later, some big name group will come out with a "Safe/Regulated" version, and it will be hundreds of dollars, and not competitive with tobacco products.

The same amount of effort in banning could be put into a couple studies, some standards and regulation of product, some marketing laws, done. Don't sell to kids, don't market as safe, dont market as quit smoking, and no-smoking laws also apply to e-cigs. Done. I get to vape, you get to keep it not-cool and away from kids.

Kinda pisses me off.

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Good thing we have Vapeatron, Leonardo DiCaprio and Jose Canseco on our side !!!
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:42 PM   #3
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I never would have thought to see that series of words ever put together into a sentence.
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Old 03-10-2009, 03:55 PM   #4
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The same amount of effort in banning could be put into a couple studies, some standards and regulation of product, some marketing laws, done. Don't sell to kids, don't market as safe, dont market as quit smoking, and no-smoking laws also apply to e-cigs. Done. I get to vape, you get to keep it not-cool and away from kids.
Vape, I couldn't agree with you more. Not being able to vape where the smoking ban is in place is a small price to pay for having the enjoyment of smoking, the benefits of not using tobacco, and living a healthier, happier life.

I think the FDA needs to hear from you, me and every one on this board. They need to know we're out here.
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Old 03-10-2009, 10:04 PM   #5
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I would love to see the FDA do something, anything, but I do not think they will because they are making money off of tobacco.
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Old 03-12-2009, 12:36 AM   #6
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I would love to see the FDA do something, anything, but I do not think they will because they are making money off of tobacco.
They are doing something. They determine if products fall into their area of authority, they issue their requirements for those products, they review submitted studies, they approve or disapprove. They don't perform studies. They don't make money off of tobacco and tobacco isn't within their authority to regulate (which may soon change).

Federal and state general governments make money off tobacco (congress, state legislature, governor).
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So your saying the FDA is not corrupt. I always thought the FDA was run by the government
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Old 03-13-2009, 09:43 PM   #8
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The same amount of effort in banning could be put into a couple studies, some standards and regulation of product, some marketing laws, done. Don't sell to kids, don't market as safe, dont market as quit smoking, and no-smoking laws also apply to e-cigs. Done. I get to vape, you get to keep it not-cool and away from kids.
I think you hit the nail on the head, Vape.
I would sooner put down my e-cig & walk away from the whole thing then ever
pick up another Analog again.
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Old 03-14-2009, 01:25 PM   #9
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Yeah, NP and I were just talking about this the other day....

I had showed my e-Cig to some guys at work....they were all over it. About a month later, one of the guys I showed it to, saw me with it, and he commented that he had seen the news special, and how my e-Cig wasn't safe....that's what he learned from the news special.

And he was telling me this while he was lighting up a real cigarette....go figure.
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So your saying the FDA is not corrupt. I always thought the FDA was run by the government
If you have a comment that pertains to what I wrote, I'll reply.
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Old 03-14-2009, 09:36 PM   #11
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Right now tobacco does fall under FDA regulation, unfortunately. We can pretty much assume that nicotene, being a byproduct of tobacco will also fall under the FDA at some point. My hope is that they dont ban it outright, but do studies so that it may be accepted as nicotene replacement alternative, like the gum, patches, inhalers etc.
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Old 03-14-2009, 10:13 PM   #12
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Right now tobacco does fall under FDA regulation, unfortunately. We can pretty much assume that nicotene, being a byproduct of tobacco will also fall under the FDA at some point. My hope is that they dont ban it outright, but do studies so that it may be accepted as nicotene replacement alternative, like the gum, patches, inhalers etc.
Nicotine, when in permutations defined as a drug, falls under FDA regulation. Tobacco does not fall under FDA regulation, but may in the near future.

Plan to Regulate Tobacco Industry Passes U.S. Panel (Update2) - Bloomberg.com

I'm not sure who your "they" is, but if it is the FDA, it is not their job to "do" studies.
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