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09-09-2010, 03:38 PM
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#1 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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09-09-2010, 04:01 PM
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#2 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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| Giant Cajones this guy has. Only Tobacco and Menthol? Oh I see, we need someone to tell us what we can taste now too. I have two words for him ... FREEDOM RULES.
We have USA made juice coming out this month, 100% USA juice may I add and available in eight flavors.
Where do these people get off on telling us what we can enjoy?
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09-09-2010, 05:40 PM
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#3 | | Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: West Texas/New Mexico
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| I'll keep an Eye out for the new juice Mike bikes | |
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09-09-2010, 06:30 PM
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#4 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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| Here is the letters the FDA sent to the companies, if you notice at the end they are asking for manufacturer's names, or anyone involved...WOW!!!! NOW IS THE TIME TO FIGHT!!! Electronic Cigarettes
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09-09-2010, 06:44 PM
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#5 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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| "We haven't really done any tests, and we don't really know what effects they have, but we'll pressure them anyway, because we make too much money from cigarettes and none from Personal Vaporizers"
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09-09-2010, 06:58 PM
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#6 | | ~XpLiCit MeMbeR~ Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by Hachiroku  "We haven't really done any tests, and we don't really know what effects they have, but we'll pressure them anyway, because we make too much money from cigarettes and none from Personal Vaporizers" | EXACTLY!!! "were getting paid off to shut your industry down, and we really don't care about anyone's health just about lining our pockets".
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09-09-2010, 07:21 PM
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#7 | | ☆ The So-Cal Vaper ☆ Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southern california
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Originally Posted by LeCig Giant Cajones this guy has. Only Tobacco and Menthol? Oh I see, we need someone to tell us what we can taste now too. I have two words for him ... FREEDOM RULES.
We have USA made juice coming out this month, 100% USA juice may I add and available in eight flavors.
Where do these people get off on telling us what we can enjoy?
Unbelievable puff! | whens the U.S. made juice gonna hit your site? cause i'm planning to reorder somtime this next week. | |
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09-09-2010, 08:40 PM
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#8 | | ☆ The So-Cal Vaper ☆ Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southern california
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| (inserts taken from the FDA's press realease)
"Certain companies received warning letters for additional reasons. For example, E-Cig Technology markets drugs in unapproved liquid forms, such as tadalafil, an erectile dysfunction drug, and rimonabant, a weight loss drug that has not been approved for use in the United States. These liquid pharmaceuticals are designed to refill cartridges used in e-cigarettes so that the drugs can be vaporized and inhaled."
"The FDA cited Johnson Creek Enterprises, which markets Smoke Juice, a liquid solution used to refill depleted cartridges in e-cigarettes, for several significant deficiencies in its manufacturing processes, including failure to establish quality control and testing procedures required under the FDCA."
wow, i never knew there was an erectile aid e-juice lol! and Johnsons quality control an issue??? i can see see the ban on e-cigs on the horizon. buy your PV's and cigs now people, because i believe either there will be taxe's to be paid once they become legal, or an out right ban. thats what i'm getting from this. | |
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09-09-2010, 08:46 PM
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#9 | | ☆ The So-Cal Vaper ☆ Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southern california
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Originally Posted by PUFFDADDY Here is the letters the FDA sent to the companies, if you notice at the end they are asking for manufacturer's names, or anyone involved...WOW!!!! NOW IS THE TIME TO FIGHT!!! Electronic Cigarettes | the import ban is gonna be the first thing that happens. if the ban does go into effect thier just gonna have to lock me up for breaking the law. you can have my E-cig when you pry it from my cold dead hand!! | |
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09-09-2010, 09:13 PM
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#10 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Your Dreams
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| Why would they worry about vaping when there is so many people dead from smoking poisonous cigarettes? If they want to ban something, ban tobacco? They are worried about nothing but money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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09-09-2010, 11:03 PM
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#11 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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Originally Posted by Rose Why would they worry about vaping when there is so many people dead from smoking poisonous cigarettes? If they want to ban something, ban tobacco? They are worried about nothing but money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | Control.
The current tobacco tax will certainly only go up. Plenty of money to be had there. It will be a long time before e-cig sales significantly cut into cigarette sales. My feeling is, there will be more people stop smoking because of poor health and expense of buying tobacco than will even try e-cigs. Many of those that do try will do it with inferior and overpriced products they ordered off the television or bought at the malls. Is Phillip Morris really concerned about money lost because of a 'few' vapers?
Lots of folks really believe money is the issue. I don't think so. Money (big pockets of it), give people, companies, agencies power to exhibit control. Control is power. The e-cig is just one more baby step in control of what we can possess. These warning letters to a few U.S. based companies is probably a good thing. It puts them on notice that some of their practices should be changed. Advertising practices like posting customer feedback about 'customer service' is one thing but commenting on issues they are not qualified to comment on and posting that on their commercial website is just as bad as the 'paid actor commentaries' you see in TV commercials.
How about "professional driver on a closed course". Does you Mazda "zoomzoom" like the one on TV?
Screen your feedback for false, unsubstantiated claims. Personal opinions (like my COPD is gone) belongs in a public forum not on a commercial website. They will get you, because they are watching.
Go after HYPE in advertising. Ridiculous markups. Misleading advertisements (like the free e-cig kit). Leave us adults alone. We are smart enough to know what's good for us. One thing for sure, e-cigs are better than tobacco.
I'm smart. I wouldn't buy e-juice that had any ingredients in it that was bad for me. Would you? How about e-juice with a dangerously high Nic content? Hey, I know how to mix this stuff, and I promise not to spill my liter of pure Nic. One of these days I'll probably be extracting my own Nicotine and Cialis from plants. Yeah, let them try and cut me off. I'll get my meds from the feed store or pick it down in the swamp. That'll put a crimp in the Obama Health Care Plan.
In fact, right now I'm probably vape e-juice that is twice as safe as a lot of people. Some think PG is bad for you. Might be. Some think VG is bad for you. Maybe they are both right. So, vape 50/50. Half as bad as either one. And no Di-methel-ethel-hydrocortizone in any of the juice I buy.
How about high temperature vaping? Think that's a smart idea? Lets cook this stuff even more. Get it hotter. I've heard comments about products breaking down into poisons. Cart filler material burning and poisoning you. Then comments about the "sweet spot" and high voltage vaping from the SAME PEOPLE. High voltage devices came about as a result of experimenters trying something bigger and better. Like monster trucks, or 50 cal handguns. Guy thing, compensation. Low resistance attys came about as a response by the manufacturers to give us a simulated "sweeet spot" from lower voltage. Problem is, it's still hot. Is hot good? Are you worried about whats is your juice? How about what's in your cooked juice? Or maybe the Yuk that is left behind after the good stuff vapes away?
Sure glad us Americans are smart enough to know what's good for us. Just think what we would try if we all were stupid. (Natural selection at it's best). Control. Kick em Danno.
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09-10-2010, 12:30 AM
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#12 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Rocketman Control.
How about high temperature vaping? Think that's a smart idea? Lets cook this stuff even more. Get it hotter. I've heard comments about products breaking down into poisons. Cart filler material burning and poisoning you. Then comments about the "sweet spot" and high voltage vaping from the SAME PEOPLE. High voltage devices came about as a result of experimenters trying something bigger and better. Like monster trucks, or 50 cal handguns. Guy thing, compensation. Low resistance attys came about as a response by the manufacturers to give us a simulated "sweeet spot" from lower voltage. Problem is, it's still hot. Is hot good? Are you worried about whats is your juice? How about what's in your cooked juice? Or maybe the Yuk that is left behind after the good stuff vapes away?
Sure glad us Americans are smart enough to know what's good for us. Just think what we would try if we all were stupid. (Natural selection at it's best).
Control. Kick em Danno.
Rocky | I was going to suggest to you you try a carto at 5V. It really is a sweet spot. I did it today and I can actually taste the juice!
All I got at 5V with a 510 was an awful burnt taste and a couple dead attys.
If the resistance of a carto is 3.2 like I think you said, then 5V put it at about 7.5 Watts.
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09-10-2010, 12:38 AM
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#13 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Rose Why would they worry about vaping when there is so many people dead from smoking poisonous cigarettes? If they want to ban something, ban tobacco? They are worried about nothing but money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | I like it! She's back.
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there should be a 'not' color after it, like [(a slash)color]
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09-10-2010, 01:23 AM
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#14 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| I know a lot of folks like something a little hotter than a 3.7 vape. Some just go crazy with voltage just because someone said it was better. That'll suck in a bunch of people that are either not happy, or just have to have the biggest and baddest. Be your own judge.
The previous comments about Hot Vaping are just my views on the topic. Food for thought.
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09-10-2010, 02:54 PM
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#15 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by ChRiS whens the U.S. made juice gonna hit your site? cause i'm planning to reorder somtime this next week. | We should have them ready to go by the 20th  | |
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09-10-2010, 02:56 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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Originally Posted by Rose Why would they worry about vaping when there is so many people dead from smoking poisonous cigarettes? If they want to ban something, ban tobacco? They are worried about nothing but money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | EXACTLY! The FDA is not here to protect us, but rather to shake us by our ankles and grab the change that falls out and hand it to thier cronies that support this bogus agency.
Take all the addatives and make the tobacco companies process tobacco that is not pesticide ridden and then come back and tell us what is good and what is bad.
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09-10-2010, 02:58 PM
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#17 | | Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Arkansas
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| I spoke with two large companies here in the US last night. Here is the response I got:
"this company is a pump and dump scam on the pink sheets"
This is nothing more than a publicity stunt from a sucky ecig company.
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09-11-2010, 01:13 AM
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#18 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by mable it's really BAD news for Chinese manufacturer! | Not really. Just make sure your 'nose is clean' and you're making the best possible product you can. And DON'T advertise it as a way to quit smoking! That's what they're looking for! Use wording like "A clean alternative to cigarettes" or such.
Now' I'll collect my customary $10,000 legal fee, thanks!
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09-11-2010, 09:40 PM
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#19 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by Hachiroku ...Use wording like "A clean alternative to cigarettes" or such.
Now' I'll collect my customary $10,000 legal fee, thanks! | I like it. Hachi!
[Collects first $USD for Hachi.....]
[...slips it in pocket.]
"I got your back Hachi my slick legal ease bro!" 
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09-12-2010, 12:12 AM
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#20 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Stehle I like it. Hachi!
[Collects first $USD for Hachi.....]
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"I got your back Hachi my slick legal ease bro!" | Uh..thanks...I think...
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09-13-2010, 02:37 AM
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#21 | | Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Israel
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| if the issue is money and the FDA makes too much off the cigarettes, maybe the ecig companies should start a lobby group and start throwing some money around as well.. | |
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09-13-2010, 02:49 AM
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#22 | | ☆ The So-Cal Vaper ☆ Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southern california
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| i bet if e-cigs were manufactured here in the US from the get-go, there would already be a tax on products and the FDA really wouldnt care as long as someones making money off it. | |
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09-13-2010, 07:54 AM
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#23 | | The Seditionist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL
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Originally Posted by ChRiS (inserts taken from the FDA's press realease)
buy your PV's and cigs now people, because i believe either there will be taxe's to be paid once they become legal, or an out right ban. thats what i'm getting from this. |
Didn't we do that last year right around this time? I still have juice from the that stock up before they ban scare.
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09-13-2010, 02:37 PM
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#24 | | ☆ The So-Cal Vaper ☆ Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southern california
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| i wasnt here last year Vicky. anyways u better vape that stuff, they say it only keeps for a year haha | |
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09-13-2010, 05:37 PM
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#25 | | The Seditionist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL
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| [quote=ChRiS;20918]i wasnt here last year Vicky. anyways u better vape that stuff, they say it only keeps for a year haha[/QUOTE
That was back when I was still kind of new to vaping and bought all kinda of flavors. Most of which I hated. They all look ok. I keep them in a box in the crisper draw of my fridge.
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