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Old 10-07-2010, 12:38 PM   #201
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Hope you guys are using a good eJuice Calculator. Don't turn your creation into a bottle of yucky juice or draw stuffer. Use precise measurements.
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Sorry about Linux. Yes it does work on Windows 7, 32bit and 64bit.
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Old 10-08-2010, 07:50 AM   #204
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Juice for dripping, or juice for wicking?

The surface tension and viscosity of e-juice seems to be fairly consistent between the large suppliers. Whether PG, VG, or a mix, this helps to get a consistent vape from bottle to bottle. How do they do it? By testing viscosity and adjusting as necessary to get the same consistency batch after batch. The properties of the ingredients contribute to the final mix, but the properties get mixed up too. Huh? Thick VG that would take forever to wick in a CE2-XL, but wicks much the same when thinned to the same thickness as PG juice.

What's the best thickness to use? Depends on the wicking method your e-cig equipment uses and your vaping style.

Try a slightly thinner juice with the loooong CE2-XL and a thicker juice when dripping.
If you like a bomb-like vapor cloud, use a little thicker VG juice, but be prepared to wait for your next cloud opportunity. If you Hypervape and find your device running out and have to slow down, use thinner juice.
Or you could just vape two or three e-cigs in rotation.

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Old 06-25-2011, 06:15 PM   #206
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I've listened to a lot of you talk about e-juice flavors, and while flitting from one favorite flavor to another is fun, one day you will probably settle on one or two 'favorite flavors'.
Most smokers picked one brand and type of cigarette and smoked that for years, running from Quick-Stop to 7-Eleven when they were out of stock. So why can't you pick one flavor and stick with it? Marketing. New flavors comes out and you just have to try it. Order a small 20 to 30ml bottle, it's cheap, and try the next great sounding flavor. I did it. How about reviews on youtube? "This flavor puts out clouds of vapor, tastes like sex". Makes you want to order a bottle right now doesn't it? The problem? I think I have different taste buds than most of the popular on-line juice reviewers, but the biggest negative to chasing juice flavors is cost. Still cheaper than smoking, so what's the big deal?

The wife and I each go through about 4ml of 12 to 15mg/ml juice a day. That's each of us, and every day of the year. Between the two of us that's about 100 30ml bottles of juice.
That's 3 liters of e-juice a year.
That's $1000 a year if you only vaped bargain juice @ $10 a bottle. $2000 a year if you just have to have the really good $20 a bottle juice. Don't even think about the premium, mixed by a little old lady from Pasadena $30 stuff because we're getting close to the cost of cigarettes (in some states). The cost sort of sneaks up on you, bottle by bottle, flavor by flavor. Even more so if you have to pay shipping on multiple small orders. Add to this the cost of hardware, batteries, chargers, cartomizers, atomizers, carrying cases and annual cost of vaping goes up again. For some, not a problem. But there goes one of the benefits of vaping right out the window or maybe right out the computer to the internet describes it better. Do you spent as much or even more on vaping supplies than you did for smokes? Do you have a good excuse for doing so?

Excuses, everyone needs several. We're ex-smokers, we know how to play excuses. Like, I tried the gum, the patch, the plug, and just couldn't quit. I went from full flavor smokes down to super-duper-ultra-lities, what else do you want? I don't want to get into the mess of mixing my own juice. I don't know how, it's too complicated. Isn't it dangerous to mix your own juice? Oh, and, you really don't save that much mixing your own anyway. Got any good excuses? Lies. It's all Lies Mixing your own is easy, safer than bungee jumping, and CHEAP.

Many vapers already mix their own and have provided 'On-line Juice Calculators' if you need them. But you really don't, It's easier than that. You really don't need anything more than the Windows Calculator to add, subtract, multiply and divide. Knowing how to calculate percent (just like sales tax) helps.

In about a week or so from now I'm going to mix up about 300ml for the wife and about 300ml for me. That's more than a two month supply. When I do, I'll post every step from measuring the raw materials, to dispensing and steeping small bottles from this larger batch. It's not hard to do, and remember it's

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Old 06-25-2011, 10:06 PM   #207
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Old 06-25-2011, 10:58 PM   #208
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Welcome back,Rocky. +1 What JJ said.
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:09 PM   #209
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Cheap is always my favorite supplier..
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Old 06-25-2011, 11:49 PM   #210
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Excellent post, Rocky.

I'd love to see more DIY tips and techniques on Vapeatron.

I'm a bargain basement, comparison shopper myself and find it obscene when I compare two shops and one's selling at 100-200% markup and the other is selling at 1000-1500% markup for the same exact product.
Don't even get me started on the mall kiosks...
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Old 06-26-2011, 02:34 AM   #211
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Agree, mark-ups can get ridiculous sometimes, that's why it pays (literally) to learn all you can before you buy. I understand that some just don't want to buy in bulk, or are afraid to buy from China, or have no interest in DIY and rely on small local (same country) vendors to take the risks for them. That has value. I expect a seller to make a profit, just don't lie and watch the badmouthing of the competition (that's usually a dead giveaway). Just about every aspect of vaping gets masked with lies and hype whether it's e-cig mods, cartomizers, or juice. I hate hype.

One of the things that gets most of us vapers, and I'm guilty of this also, is every new product look better (because they usually are) and economy gets lost in the excitement trying something new. We end up wasting money chasing the newest and best.

I have mellowed quite a bit in the last couple of years of vaping and don't get as excited over each new e-cig model. What I have, maybe not the best, works for me and I can rely on it day in and day out. I may 'refine' it a little, but no major changes are needed. No stress. My methods won't make everyone happy but maybe it can give someone another data point to judge their own satisfaction.

The DIY juice mixing tutorial will be at least a week away, until my latest flavor order comes in. I hope I can show that you can mix cheap vapeable juice, know what's in it, and do it safely (primary concern). Will this interest everyone? No, maybe 1 out of 10 vapers will mix their own but 5 of of 10 should know how to do it, the rest could probably care less. That's OK.
So, enough on the soap box, thanks.

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You look good on a soapbox,all green and squiggly like that.
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Thanks, Rocky. Been mixing my own for about a month now. Looking forward to any insights from your point of view. Very happy with my supplier's nicotine mix, but probably way over-spending on PG. My daughter walked into my office, looked at my side desk and said, "My daddy's got a meth lab." Cheap and tons of fun. I've found that the hobby aspects have also helped with the replacement of the analog ritual addiction.
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I for one am extremely interested in seeing this done from an experienced mixer. I hadn't really given it much thought..totally guilty of chasing flavors but still looking for bargains..who hasn't thrown in another bottle of different flavor to that last order just to try out something new while we were already paying for shipping anyway? I think Ive steered away from mixing as it seems to be a whole different direction requiring new equipment, raw supplies and flavorings research and trial and error. But all in all I think Ive reached the point where I am very interested in mixing my own stuff..recently I started a thread about what juices mess up your equipment and am convinced there is something like sugar in the flavoring that kills the equipment...maybe this way I can find a way avoid it.....Looking very forward to this Rocky
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Well I have noticed recently many of the suppliers are making the flavorings available for order too..so they are recognizing there is segment of buyers who are doityourselfers'
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Its interesting you say that..everything I have tried that does the opposite... through increased vaporization I thought...wonder why that would be? lots of VG perhaps?
VG seems to cut the flavor off..like coating over the taste buds or something?
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Hmmm...I dont use attys so I cant really speak to that...but I find no real difference in taste from a CE2 to Boge LR ...just that the vapor is better on the boge...no clue why a flavor difference would be happening...I guess it has to be something about the juice itself..
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Agree, mark-ups can get ridiculous sometimes, that's why it pays (literally) to learn all you can before you buy. I understand that some just don't want to buy in bulk, or are afraid to buy from China, or have no interest in DIY and rely on small local (same country) vendors to take the risks for them. That has value. I expect a seller to make a profit, just don't lie and watch the badmouthing of the competition (that's usually a dead giveaway). Just about every aspect of vaping gets masked with lies and hype whether it's e-cig mods, cartomizers, or juice. I hate hype.

One of the things that gets most of us vapers, and I'm guilty of this also, is every new product look better (because they usually are) and economy gets lost in the excitement trying something new. We end up wasting money chasing the newest and best.

I have mellowed quite a bit in the last couple of years of vaping and don't get as excited over each new e-cig model. What I have, maybe not the best, works for me and I can rely on it day in and day out. I may 'refine' it a little, but no major changes are needed. No stress. My methods won't make everyone happy but maybe it can give someone another data point to judge their own satisfaction.

The DIY juice mixing tutorial will be at least a week away, until my latest flavor order comes in. I hope I can show that you can mix cheap vapeable juice, know what's in it, and do it safely (primary concern). Will this interest everyone? No, maybe 1 out of 10 vapers will mix their own but 5 of of 10 should know how to do it, the rest could probably care less. That's OK.
So, enough on the soap box, thanks.

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Thanks Rocky. Always wise you are. I would love to know how to mix juices safely-- even if I don't end up mixing my own would like to know more about how it is done. And storage..... I have heard somewhere for longer duration to store in fridge, then recently, no, you don't store in fridge as it will lose flavor.
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or for an "extra shot". I mentioned to Adam that the Boge Cartomizers took all the flavor out of the juice.
I have not had that issue with boge, actually they are the best among cartos that I have tried, well next to the dual coils.
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Tastes just fine on the real 510 atomizers, and on the CE2s. On the cartomizers with 'stuffing' it tastes like Corn Syrup. It's a little better with the Smok-tech dual coils, but not much.
Well, compared to attys, maybe. I don't know cause I don't use them. Too expensive and too much of a hassle for my stress level. The CE2s always gave me issues with burnt taste after only a few vapes. Tried to make them work for about a month and considered it also too much stress and expense. As far as the ones filled with poly.. I have found boge to be the best and cleans the easiest. IMHO...
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I dont know about tossing them...some flavors clog them in a day and a half while others can go a week before crudding the coils too badly..
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Again with the cleaning! They're a buck-seventy five! Toss 'em!
Heck No! I save a penny where I can find it. Cleaning is simple enough. Not everyone can toss money in the trash.

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I dont know about tossing them...some flavors clog them in a day and a half while others can go a week before crudding the coils too badly..
Yes, many of my juices clog in a few days and I used to have to trash those but I been able to unclog lately so getting even longer life now.

Lord, if I tossed cartos after only a few days, all my money would be sucked up in carto replacement.
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I was paying $8 for a pack of cigs, and $2.50 for RYOs. If I get 7 days from a carto at $1.75, that's 25 cents a day. If I get 10 days, that's 17.5 cents a day. Good enough for me. I've tried cleaning them, but the taste doesn't come back the same. If it don't taste right I reach for the ciggies. Better to blow off the $1.75...
Well, yes, I agree, not as good as a new carto but not bad enough for me not to reuse. And yes, you need to do whatever to stay away from the ciggies and if fresh cartos to that, then by all means it is worth it. The extra expense would well be worth it compared to the cost of treating and dealing with cancer or your losing your life to it.
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just how many dollars of juice do you run through that $1.75 carto?

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I'll give my point of view on cold storage of juice when I post the tutorial.
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just how many dollars of juice do you run through that $1.75 carto?

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I'll give my point of view on cold storage of juice when I post the tutorial.
Thanks Rocky. I tend to stock up some when I come across good deals.
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