KingToker

Dwellsouth here are caffeine waters Aqua Blast, Avitea, Aqua Java, [Edge.sub.2]O, Java Johnny, Java Water, and Water Joe

Dwellsouth

Cool. Now, would you know offhand which has the highest strength caffeine?

I bought one of those Red Bull energy shots and it has 80mg caffeine in 59 ml of juice (among other ingredients). I'm not a big fan of the RB flavor tho.

javanx3d

I had to ween myself off of the caffeine waters...the first crash from not coming down off my 06-1200 caffeine buzz in the afternoon was way too painful (oveslept for work!). But they were effective for me.

nurdcomp

Anyone want to give up their sources for pure liquid nicotine? Please

Hachiroku

You can get it as an insecticide...I wouldn't.

Playing with liquid nicotine is pretty dangerous; it is readily absorbed through the skin and can kill you plenty quick. If you happen to have kids at home, forget it and just get your juice premade, and keep it out of reach.

nurdcomp

Hachiroku. Thanks for concern, but that doesn't help me at all. I know the dangers. I've done the research. I am set up to mix my own Nic. So do you have any sources, or did you just want to warn me?

Hachiroku

I was jus' warnin' ya!

Hmmm...there is a juice vendor that sells liquid nic, but I can;t remember which one. You can get plain VG or PG juice, 60mG/mL from Vermont Vapor and either MadVapes or LiteCig, I can't remember. Might also be Myst-stix...

As far as raw nic juice, maybe someone from one of the juice mixers like Vt Vapor (who has a presence on this forum) might be able to help you with a trusted supplier.

Good Luck!

serialvapist

Just heard about this guy from a friend. Guess he's out of South Cali. Checked it out. Thought it was worth sharing. tastyvapor.com

Rocketman

hey nurd , seems like I've said that once before (you've come a long way in the past year)
I think you can get 55 gallons drums of pure nicotine shipped directly from DeKang to a non-US location. With the profit that can be made, setting up a lab in Central or South America could still be worth it. 55 gallons of pure nicotine would make over a quarter million 30ml bottles of 24mg/ml juice.
That is a lot of little plastic bottles.
Time to start printing labels.


Rocket

Rocketman

Time to mix
Just a small 250ml batch this time, used a little 60mg/ml unflavored from the freezer, some Marlboro flavored 24mg/ml, a little Menthol 24mg/ml, some VG for cutting, grape, cherry, blueberry and Redbull flavoring. Needed just a little thinning (water and ethanol). About 13.25mg/ml based on nicotine juice added divided by final volume.
Used my viscolocometer to adjust thickness to match previous batches.
About a month's supply for the two of us.

Those of you that have not tried just a little home mixing should consider it.
A way to try more flavors, adjust NIC levels, and maybe save money, maybe.

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serialvapist

Need to get out the ol' magnifying glass to spot the 2mL line eh Rocket?

40bikes

I have a loco meter too, I need one with a greater range.

serialvapist

Cutting with ethanol? How's that work? Is the ethanol present in final product? Love the DYI viscosity meter. All it needs now is thermal monitoring.

Rocketman

The ethanol and water thinner I use is 'Food Grade'.

100 proof Vodka, or 151 Barc Lite

About 5 ml of the 50% ethanol mixture (100 proof vodka) will noticeably thin 250ml of juice. The VG is super thick but a PG/VG mix is just a little thick, doesn't take much.
If alcohol in the mix is of any concern then distilled water is perfectly acceptable. The homemade viscosity meter is great for standardizing mixes. With the ink refill syringe I use my target is 90sec/ml. Let it run for a ml or 2, then start timing. Sometimes the juice needs to sit and mellow for a while before it gives consistent and repeatable results. I used the helping hand device because I gave the wooden viscolocometer to someone. Magnifier was included just for visual impact. I use magnifying dollar store glasses.
I highly recommend using something like this to standardize the thickness of homemade juice.


Rocky

and bikes; did you put your loco meter on e-bay?
I saw one listed with a bent needle that had been severely over-ranged.

Hachiroku

Yeah! Ethanol! You know....

http://images.nakedauthors.com/uploa...ear-729694.jpg

socalsmoker

I'm thinking of making my own keoke coffee juice. Anyone have experience using Lorann's keoke flavoring? I read oil based flavorings kills the atty's and it should be water based.

Here's some info on ingredients from their site:

Kosher Certified.
Gluten Free & Sugar Free
Contains: Propylene Glycol, Artificial Flavor, Caramel Color.
Soluble in water.
Appropriate for use in chocolates and coatings.

Rocketman

DIYers,
Now foods seems to be having a July sale on the 16 oz Vegetable Glycerin.
16oz bottle is $6.69.
July code for 10% off is JULYNOW10.
Free shipping.
I just received 2 bottles. Total was $12.04.

Rocky

here's the link, sorry
http://www.allvitaminsplus.com/733739077004.html

Rocketman

socal,
I haven't used that flavor from Loranns, but you are correct, stay away from the oil based and any sweetened with sugar. From the list of ingredients, should be OK.

socalsmoker

Ok, ordered a 1 oz bottle of Lorann's keoke coffee and 30ml of 100mg nic 100% vg. I'll get some vg to mix it down. Thanks for the link on the vg Rocketman. Great price and free shipping. Now to calculate it down to 36mg.

40bikes

Rocket, great deal, was looking for a good source for VG. Thanks, bikes

Rocketman

Well, sort of bored, so I decided to watch some VG drop through a syringe

Diluting Vegetable Glycerin with Water

This is a relative comparison between "Fresh" VG and VG that has been opened and resealed with a head space of room air with exactly some humidity. The test was performed using an ink jet refill syringe.
Three days ago I dispensed 5ml of Wilton's VG from a newly opened bottle and put it out in the garage to absorb moisture. Today I tested the flow rate of the resealed VG, a sample taken from a new bottle of Wilton's, a new bottle of NOW VG, the 5ml sample, and some of the Wilton's (from the new bottle) cut 90/10 with distilled water.
The first 2 photos show the volume gain of the exposed sample (about 2.5% over starting point). Some moisture had also collected on the inside surface above the liquid. The next photo shows the 90/10 dilution, and the next photo the test setup. Just had to include the VG Drop

The results are as follows:

NOW VG sealed) 12.2min/ml
Wilton's (sealed) 12.2min/ml
Wilton's (resealed) 12.1min/ml
2.5% dilution 12.0min/ml
10% dilution 2.0min/ml
(my normal DIY mix is about 90sec/ml)
It appears that the hygroscopic nature of VG is somewhat slow. Supposedly the 5ml sample would have eventually absorbed about 20% water from the air. Lab experiments I have performed in the past with metallic salt solutions to make up humidity calibrations samples exhibited the same 'slow' response. Some took over a week to come to equilibrium.

Short term exposure of your VG to a normal room environment, or storage with a little head space should not significantly impact mixing ratios. Once water content goes over 5% the viscosity of VG goes down fast.
A practical formula for mixing various quantities of PG. VG, Ethanol, water, Nicotine, flavors would be very complex.
If you do a lot of mixing maybe a way to standardize the thickness of your mixes would help.

Rocky

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40bikes

No scientific data here, but I've been using a mixer of 10% 100pf vodka/90% and I almost always by 24mg juice and cut it 1/1 with my mixer for near 12mg strength.
I guess I've learned to live with whatever consistency comes out of the mix. Except for rare thin base juices the results have been fairly consistent. The thin mixes get a half mil of pure VG to thicken it up and slow the flow
I usually mix up a couple 10ml bottles for "exposure"and put them up at night in the fridge. When I get down to a couple of flavors with 3mls or so it is refill or remix time.

socalsmoker

I just got a 30ml bottle of 100mg nic in vg and want to cut it down to 36mg keoke coffee flavor into a 30ml bottle. I used the todmuller.com e juice calculator. Not sure of what percentage to put in for the Lorann's keoke coffee flavor 10%, 20%? Should I put some water in there?

Recipe
ingredient ml % of total
PG or VG with nicotine 10.8 ml 36.0%
PG or VG (no nicotine) 16.2 ml 54.0%
Water 0.0 ml 0.0%
Flavoring(s) 3.0 ml 10.0%

Rocketman

Well, the formula gives you a 36mg/ml output. It didn't account for adding VG (thicker)?
If your input juice is of the correct thickness and you add PG to dilute it the the thickness won't change much, should be OK.

But if you add unthinned VG the result may turn out thick.
Then you may have to thin it a little. I would try 1% of water or alcohol at a time, so you don't have to start thickening and then whoops, start thinning, whoops, and start thickening, etc.

I've noticed that if I get my juice a little thick it vapes like crazy just before it fries an atty. If a little thin I can vape it faster, puff, puff, puff, then it burns out the atty

and bikes,
I like the idea of the 10/90 bottle of 'mixer'. Pretty efficient way to be 'ready to go' when you want to try another flavor. 10/90 is close to the 'ragged edge'. The VG/water curve (probably close to alcohol for thinning) is pretty steep at 10% dilution. Maybe 9.9/90.1 would be better

40bikes

Rocky, My experience is based on the desktop flood method. My mixes will not leak out of my 510 carts at such a rate that I have to reprime the atomiser if they are left in a horizontal orientation for more than 15 minutes and remain undisturbed for less than an hour. How about that for a scientific spec set.
As a bench mark: using the dropper from a Johnson Creek little brown jug, my mixer yields 25 drops per ml for flow by volume. Most of my mixed juices run around 28-30 drops/ml, if the desk is wet you must inject (add a couple of drops of VG) to slow the flow rate of the juice..viscosity?
All of this specificity is making me nervous, I'll be OK after a while...MMM pufff MMMpufff