Easily Refill a Cartomizer

Rocketman · 01-07-2010, 12:06 PM

and a new vaping term has been defined:

Vapor Windage,
similar to "Kentucky Windage".
Deeply inhale , hold it, then let the vapor slowly escape through pursed lips. Vapor direction and dispersion indicate wind direction and velocity.

R

nebraskapuffer · 01-07-2010, 12:23 PM

It is 0º right now so I won't go out to get an empty .223 case till later but the deburring tool will make the cutting edge nice and sharp. And I was just getting used to 1/2 of the 2 piece 901 cart.

Rocketman · 01-07-2010, 12:24 PM

One shot out the window, free gasket punch for the free tip.
Vapor windage won't work well from inside though.

And I sharpen my NATO hole punches with a box cutter blade, reaming the inside edge.
The punches are wonderful for general gasket making like waterpumps and such.

And I love the way you lurk invisible and pop in with a comment.
Cool Beans.

nebraskapuffer · 01-07-2010, 03:03 PM

I wonder if I could get my X to hold one of those little end caps for me while I shoot a hole through it?
I don't know how I got invisable so I don't know how to get uninvisable. I'm not that important here anyway.

JohnnyJames · 01-07-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocketman

I'm now a firm believer that attys have to be treated with care, especially the 808D-1 cartomizer. I have been using another D-1 for about 4 days, only disconnecting it when I had to change the battery, and with an 18650 not that often. I refill with the itty bitty dropper just barely touching the filler. Using the needle still has the chance of moving the heater a little...
Overheating the atty, running dry, disturbing the heater from the connector end or the mouthpiece end are my best guess for failure modes of the D-1. Juice crud build up is probably another, but I like flavors. This probably applies to most atty models.

I will report back with photos when this one fails.
01/05/10, end of day 4
01/06/10 finished day 5 on this D-1, all OK.

I 'popped' one, you could hear it, on my 5V PT (the pic above). The other one is going strong, I've run at least 20ml of juice through it so far. On both I've tried the tubes were crooked, both of the tubes ran off-center and I tried to center both of them. With the current one I tucked a bit of fill on one side to center it. Seems that maybe I should just leave well enough alone.

Also folks looking for Mega Batteries should note that the normal D-1 batts are 280mAh (the size of a Joye 510 Mega) and the KR megas are 380mAh. The KR manuals are a bit of a pain to use though as the button is very small and just about flush and needs a firm push, and there is a cut-off, but accidental activation seems almost impossible. With a 901/KR808-> 510ATM adapter they fire 510 atties nicely for a long time.

LeCig · 01-07-2010, 05:02 PM

If you want to keep the casing from getting hot you need to center the tubes

Hachiroku · 01-08-2010, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocketman

OK, you win, just too cool.
Got em and didn't even think about that.

OK, did mine, works fine.

give the guy a
GOLD STAR
Rocket

This is even easier to refill. and it's a pretty cheap to implement idea, FREE, and I like free.

I don't know what the best size hole might be but a spent 22 cal LR case makes a nice little hole punch. (or a .223 NATO case). After reloading cases 5 or 6 times, various calibers make great hole punches for gaskets and such.

I did that out of necessity, since I LOST the white piece that fits into one of those cartomizers and didn't like the juice spluttering up at me!

nebraskapuffer · 01-08-2010, 03:19 PM

Is it my imagination or is it possible that a 510 battery lasts longer using a cartomizer than it does using a std 510 atty?

LeCig · 01-08-2010, 03:26 PM

You know what I was wondering the same thing nebraska ... not sure.

The way a 510 atty is designed it is thicker area that the atomizer uses, so perhaps that would suck more juice out of the bat then the thin wire a carto has?

I'm curious! If you do determine that through some sort of benchmark please let me know. I will do a test as well, the rocket sent me an adaptor. The only problem is my bats are not the "510" but they are 180mA/H bats.

nebraskapuffer · 01-08-2010, 03:39 PM

I've been using the mega batteries so I think I'll get a std battery charged up and time it. When I had an attitude problem I could vape one dead in about 25 mins with a std atty. I'll put a cartomizer on and give er everything I got and see if it lasts longer.

Quick question....do those "green" cartomizers that you have interchange with the D-1? They are more expensive but someone in here said they are better. How are they better? Are they worth the few extra $'s? Thanks Mike!

Hachiroku · 01-08-2010, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nebraskapuffer

Is it my imagination or is it possible that a 510 battery lasts longer using a cartomizer than it does using a std 510 atty?

Interesting. LeCig may have hit upon something. I didn't do much of a test, but I think the Cartomizers have the same resistance as a 510 atty. I'll have to check when I get my hands on some stuff that's not DEAD!

The usual resistance of a 510 atty is ~2.7 ohms, give or take .1 ohm. I never measured a cartomizer...until it was too late...

But, the cartomizer is a single strand of heater wire, while the 510 is a metal band heating something that looks like a steel wool mesh, and may take longer to heat the liquid up to vaping temperature.

LeCig · 01-08-2010, 03:49 PM

Exactly hachi!

Nebraska, the greencig cartos are interchangeable with the D1s ... that is why we are getting such good reviews on our Non-Kanger D1 ... it works killer with them.

The GC carts are a much blander taste with the factory filled juice, however, the vapor is incredible with them. If you refill them, they last quite some time. The design of them is much diffrent than the D1 standard cartomizer.

JohnnyJames · 01-08-2010, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeCig

You know what I was wondering the same thing nebraska ... not sure.

The way a 510 atty is designed it is thicker area that the atomizer uses, so perhaps that would suck more juice out of the bat then the thin wire a carto has?

I'm curious! If you do determine that through some sort of benchmark please let me know. I will do a test as well, the rocket sent me an adaptor. The only problem is my bats are not the "510" but they are 180mA/H bats.

It's always about the ohms (resistance). My Joye 510's are about 2.3 ohms. To get to 4V you'd need about 1.7A of current. My DSE 901 is at about 2.9 ohms, 4V needs 1.4A. My well used KR cartomizer is showing 3.4 ohms, 4V needs 1.2A (my meter is a bit twitchy though).

So assuming the same battery the Joye 510 will drain it the fastest, followed by the 901. The cartomizer will last the longest.

Don't take these ohm readings as absolutes, my cheap meter shows different higher numbers (it doesn't want to zero, new battery needed?) than my ancient RS model, which only shows a reading in the beeping continuity mode. But the ohm progression from low to high is valid.

Do note most of the clone 510 atties are 3+ ohms, hence thy should drain the battery slower than a Joye.

Dhileas · 01-08-2010, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

It's always about the ohms (resistance). My Joye 510's are about 2.3 ohms. To get to 4V you'd need about 1.7A of current. My DSE 901 is at about 2.9 ohms, 4V needs 1.4A. My well used KR cartomizer is showing 3.4 ohms, 4V needs 1.2A (my meter is a bit twitchy though).

So assuming the same battery the Joye 510 will drain it the fastest, followed by the 901. The cartomizer will last the longest.

Don't take these ohm readings as absolutes, my cheap meter shows different higher numbers (it doesn't want to zero, new battery needed?) than my ancient RS model, which only shows a reading in the beeping continuity mode. But the ohm progression from low to high is valid.

Do note most of the clone 510 atties are 3+ ohms, hence thy should drain the battery slower than a Joye.

Not to stray far from the topic of discussion, but I'm always so baffled when I read y'all talking about ohms and volts and such. I still don't fully understand the difference between ohms, volts, watts, and amps. Jargon is fun when its comprehensible, but you folks have lost me in a fog.

Rocketman · 01-08-2010, 09:51 PM

I tried a little better ohmmeter tonight and several 901, 510 clone, some 510 joye I had put away and some D-1cartos.
I am going to have to make an adapter fixture to eliminate lead variations and do 4 lead Kelvin measurements at the adapter. I found that the variation from atty to atty was pretty wide but there is a general trend per type. I had not previously measured the Joye attys and did not realize they were so low in resistance. The range of 9 Joye-510 attys ranged from 2.15 to 2.5 ohms. 18 clone 510 attys ranged from 2.3 to 3.0 ohms. None of the ones I tested went over 3 ohms. 21 901 attys tested ranged from 2.7 ohms to 3.4 ohms. 6 used and 11 new 808D-1 cartos ranged from 2.9 to 3.5 ohms.

I plan to make 4 wire adapters for 901/808, 510, and 801 atty measurements to take lead variations out. I'll report my results tabular. Thanks for pointing out the Joye attys are lower resistance. The 2.15 ohm atty get pretty darn hot, and fast. I'm not sure that's a good thing.

The 6 day old D-1 got wimpy this morning (on day 7 of constant use). Hardly any vapor on a fresh battery. Since resistance (included in above results) is still within range of the others, and the path is clear (can still see through it) I bet the heater is clogged with my super flavored juice and a melted glob inside. Oh well. Still like lots of flavor.

Gonna vary up my vaping this weekend and start a new D-1 monday morning. I could easily live with 2 808d-1 cartos biting the dust a week.

Rocket

LeCig · 01-08-2010, 10:01 PM

I've had VG gummy them up.

LeCig · 01-08-2010, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyJames

It's always about the ohms (resistance). My Joye 510's are about 2.3 ohms. To get to 4V you'd need about 1.7A of current. My DSE 901 is at about 2.9 ohms, 4V needs 1.4A. My well used KR cartomizer is showing 3.4 ohms, 4V needs 1.2A (my meter is a bit twitchy though).

So assuming the same battery the Joye 510 will drain it the fastest, followed by the 901. The cartomizer will last the longest.

Don't take these ohm readings as absolutes, my cheap meter shows different higher numbers (it doesn't want to zero, new battery needed?) than my ancient RS model, which only shows a reading in the beeping continuity mode. But the ohm progression from low to high is valid.

Do note most of the clone 510 atties are 3+ ohms, hence thy should drain the battery slower than a Joye.

Thanks for your results JJ

Rocketman · 01-08-2010, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeCig

I've had VG gummy them up.

Could be, because I use 50/50. But I also put a good bit of flavor in mine that probably doesn't help. I also think a weak battery or weak lungs

will not VAPE off the juice properly and leave residue.

If I get 2 or more days from a D-1 all the time I could live with that. 4, 5, or 6 days would be fantastic. What's the average? (other than you know WHO of course). These work great and a little recurring cost is expected.

R

and I have a package out at the mailbox, but it is too cold to go out and get it now.

Hachiroku · 01-08-2010, 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocketman

Could be, because I use 50/50. But I also put a good bit of flavor in mine that probably doesn't help. I also think a weak battery or weak lungs

will not VAPE off the juice properly and leave residue.

If I get 2 or more days from a D-1 all the time I could live with that. 4, 5, or 6 days would be fantastic. What's the average? (other than you know how of course). These work great and a little recurring cost is expected.

R

and I have a package out at the mailbox, but it is too cold to go out and get it now.

I am currently on my way to killing two cartomizers at once...on on the computer and one in the car...

Rocketman · 01-09-2010, 12:29 PM

I found a new tool to remove the plastic cap on cartomizers. The wire loop from a binder clip. Hook and pull. Even works on the soft-tip one.
Cell phone photo, sorry
(it is sooooooooo cute on the VaporWeight)

Rocket

nebraskapuffer · 01-09-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaye

You two are going to force me to try cartomizers; you know I can't resist finding out what all the happytalk is about!

Hey Kaye...........where the heck are you? I'm not seeing your 2¢ worth nearly as often as I used to. I hope your not mad because I told everyone where you keep your credit card. Hey, I'm sorry I was only strongly suggesting that you try out the cartomizers. Anyway I (and I'm sure everyone else) hope you are Ok and..............you are missed.

Dhileas · 01-10-2010, 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocketman

I found a new tool to remove the plastic cap on cartomizers. The wire loop from a binder clip. Hook and pull. Even works on the soft-tip one.
Cell phone photo, sorry
(it is sooooooooo cute on the VaporWeight)

Rocket

I've seen quite a few mods, but that is one beefy mod you got there!

LeCig · 01-12-2010, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocketman

I found a new tool to remove the plastic cap on cartomizers. The wire loop from a binder clip. Hook and pull. Even works on the soft-tip one.
Cell phone photo, sorry
(it is sooooooooo cute on the VaporWeight)

Rocket

We have hand cuff keys and the top post (not the key part) works excellent. I'll try to get some shots of it tomorrow, plus I have another easy fill video that I don't even have to pull the cart cover anymore I should have done by then as well.

tandera · 01-14-2010, 11:30 AM

I agree with rocketman and the others guys. Refilling a cartomizer before it's get completely dry extends the working life.

What I do here is puff around with 20 carts in my backpack. Full and empty carts in separated pockets, when they r all empty, I just fill them all up

I'm on the fourth refill and just two carts got trashed, so far.

LeCig · 01-14-2010, 11:34 AM

The reason I suggest the refill is for environmental concerns. Can you imagine the pile of steel casings people would generate if they did not refill?