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12-24-2009, 03:58 PM
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#76 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Rocketman  Yea, mine too. The slot and an extra little hole is usually put in the 808D-1 battery side to allow air to flow.
My mods are 510, and I have a pile of 510 mega batteries, so the little adapter (5 for $7) from China, is a deal if you order other stuff. But I haven't seen the cheap adapter offered from a U.S. supplier. I figured $2 o so would be something to offer to get folks to buy cartomizers. It also seems to work with the GC cartomizer, but I only have one (free) used one. Might get more, but the D-1 is just so easy to operate (no digital circuitry in it).
R | The GC has a circuit in it? For what?!?! All it is is a heater! How complex can you make it?
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12-24-2009, 04:11 PM
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Photos of D-1 that died. Heater opened right at the connection to the center post. Might have been flex fatigue from center post movement caused by repeated screwing onto battery. Heater wire is 0.004" dia, ~38 gauge, 1.2" length, about 29 ohm/ft@68F
Resistance somewhere between 304 Stainless and NiCr60.
Each time you screw a cart onto a battery the center connector moves a little. A big battery mod reduces the need to swap battery as often. If you can visualize jiggling the center connector just a little, the end of the center tube can move side to side quite a bit. After a few times the heater wire just might break off. The crud around the heater just has to impact vapor. If you keep these wet, and don't try and "hot box" them, they probably won't end up looking like this one.
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01-01-2010, 04:24 PM
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| Killed a D-1 on purpose, well sort of, I guess I could put it in a plexiglass tube and vape with it.
4 photos of the inside of a NEW 808D-1 cartomizer.
1: with "toilet paper roll"
2: with inner wrap
3: heater coil
4: heater connection that seems to be failure point from flexing. The heater probably doesn't fail at the connection at the tube because of heat. The tube would sink some of the heat from the heater wire. Heater design literature usually shows temperatures are higher in the coil area (mutual heating effect).
Couldn't find any Troll hair in these
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01-01-2010, 05:48 PM
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#79 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Rocketman
Each time you screw a cart onto a battery the center connector moves a little. A big battery mod reduces the need to swap battery as often. If you can visualize jiggling the center connector just a little, the end of the center tube can move side to side quite a bit. After a few times the heater wire just might break off.
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This might explain why I'm killing so many...
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01-01-2010, 05:52 PM
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| This probably only applies to the D-1 cartomizer (haven't cut open a D-2 yet) with the long tube in the center. Angular movement at the center contact will move the other end of the tube a lot more. Axial movement of the contact probably also flexes the heater joint.
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01-01-2010, 06:10 PM
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| For some reason I expected for the heater to be coaxial., Rocket. With it parallel to the breather pipe it is more subject to twisting during mounting of the cart. Just need to be careful about clean contacts and torquing the cart downto a minimal good contact level. NTK info. Some of your pix showed pink stuffing, is that ppg fiberglass or redbull stains? bikes | |
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01-01-2010, 06:19 PM
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| RedBull stains on the used one. The used ones almost always seem to melt some of the wrap onto the heater, and a little juice crud also. The inside wrap holds the heater close to the center line, airflow does go over the coil (mostly) but I agree that coaxial would be better. That's what I thought was there until I took a new one apart.
Remember, these are consumables, at about $1.50 each (in quantity). I vape about 5ml of mixed down juice a day. A D-1 cart and juice is much cheaper than cigarettes.
If I get 30 days from a $7 510 atty and 4 days from a D-1, well pretty much a bargain either way don't you think? | |
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01-01-2010, 08:31 PM
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#83 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Rocketman If I get 30 days from a $7 510 atty and 4 days from a D-1, well pretty much a bargain either way don't you think? |
Sure, Rocket, sure...if I get THREE days from an $8 atty I feel blessed...
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01-01-2010, 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Hachiroku Sure, Rocket, sure...if I get THREE days from an $8 atty I feel blessed... | Still cheaper than tobacco | |
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01-01-2010, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocketman Still cheaper than tobacco | LOL! Not so far, but then I'm just getting started, and once I get a couple of mods working sufficiently well enough I'l probably stop experimenting and just vape (But I doubt it...it's the OCD thing...Like 3 basses, two amps, six cars...at one time I had 5 bowling balls...)
But once I get a couple set ups I like, batteries will be used rarely, so juice and attys will be about it. I wish I could figure out what the hell I'm doing that's killing attys!
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01-05-2010, 09:42 PM
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| I'm now a firm believer that attys have to be treated with care, especially the 808D-1 cartomizer. I have been using another D-1 for about 4 days, only disconnecting it when I had to change the battery, and with an 18650 not that often. I refill with the itty bitty dropper just barely touching the filler. Using the needle still has the chance of moving the heater a little. I add juice frequently, about 1 dropper full (1/4 ml) at a time. Occasionally vaping till I need to add 2 droppers full, but never past the half full point. I don't bother putting the clear or white orifices back in, just using the whistle tip. Pretty much like using a 510 and refilling on the go but easier, and the D-1 holds more juice.
Overheating the atty, running dry, disturbing the heater from the connector end or the mouthpiece end are my best guess for failure modes of the D-1. Juice crud build up is probably another, but I like flavors. This probably applies to most atty models.
I will report back with photos when this one fails.
01/05/10, end of day 4
01/06/10 finished day 5 on this D-1, all OK.
01/07/10 day 6 just about over and still fine.
01/08/10 This D-1 has stopped vaping, heats but no vaper. 6 days OK. Will cut open this weekend and photo if I have time.
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01-05-2010, 11:28 PM
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#87 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Rocketman I'm now a firm believer that attys have to be treated with care, especially the 808D-1 cartomizer. I have been using another D-1 for about 4 days, only disconnecting it when I had to change the battery, and with an 18650 not that often. I refill with the itty bitty dropper just barely touching the filler. Using the needle still has the chance of moving the heater a little. I add juice frequently, about 1 dropper full (1/4 ml) at a time. Occasionally vaping till I need to add 2 droppers full, but never past the half full point. I don't bother putting the clear or white orifices back in, just using the whistle tip. Pretty much like using a 510 and refilling on the go but easier, and the D-1 holds more juice.
Overheating the atty, running dry, disturbing the heater from the connector end or the mouthpiece end are my best guess for failure modes of the D-1. Juice crud build up is probably another, but I like flavors. This probably applies to most atty models.
I will report back with photos when this one fails. |
Aw, c'mon! Do what I did with mine, and bust it up in the name of science!
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01-06-2010, 03:08 PM
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| I think I've just been converted. I got an adapter from GoodProphets and some cartomizers. Using my 510 mega battery I'm totally 100% impressed. It's snowing again today but I'm still happier than a fresh slopped hog in the springtime! | |
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01-06-2010, 03:10 PM
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| be really careful refilling. If you have a whistle tip from a 901 the one that comes apart, or a 510 and cut it down a little it helps with the heat.
did you get the D-1 type? | |
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01-06-2010, 03:25 PM
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#90 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nebraska
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| Yeah its the D-1's. $6.99 for 5 and $3.49 for adapters. A cheap way to check out cartomizers.
I guess I don't follow about the 901 cart. Is there a pic somewhere of what you mean? I'm Czech ya know. | |
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01-06-2010, 03:30 PM
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| post number 12 of this thread shows the tip I use, tan and brown, just use the tan part. I leave the plastic gaskets out of the D-1, so you can drip fill the filler material, and use the tip. If it is a little loose, use can "roll" the edge of the D-1 on a hard surface.
Not a problem, glad to help.
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01-06-2010, 03:34 PM
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#92 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nebraska
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| Now who in the heck would think of something like that???? And you make rockets too!!! Thats awesome! I just happen to have a handfull of the 2 piece attys too. Thanks Rocket! | |
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01-06-2010, 07:01 PM
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#93 | | Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Statesboro, Georgia
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| You two are going to force me to try cartomizers; you know I can't resist finding out what all the happytalk is about!
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01-06-2010, 08:01 PM
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| Hey Kaye, long time no see. These cartomizers really surprised me. I'm still on the learning curve but thats what forums are for right? Rocket had a great tip tip (I didn't stutter) right off the bat. I knew I was saving those two piece 901 carts for something I just didn't know what until now. The adapter is cheap so you can use your 510 mega battery too and it's working great. Your plastic card is inside that wallet thingy inside your purse so you might as well get it out and order your adapter and some cartomizers. You know you're going to do it soooooo, just do it LOL!!!!
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01-06-2010, 08:06 PM
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| Yea, and she has a super mega battery mod that is just perrrrfect for the 808D-1 and the adapter.
Isn't it fun experimenting?
Hey, what does this Red button do?
Rocky
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01-06-2010, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Rocketman Yea, and she has a super mega battery mod that is just perrrrfect for the 808D-1 and the adapter.
Isn't it fun experimenting?
Hey, what does this Red button do?
Rocky | Nuts. I missed it...
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01-06-2010, 09:08 PM
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| Just because I can now......I screwed a 901 atty onto a 510 battery and that works great too. Experimenting huh? Yeah it's fun. | |
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01-07-2010, 07:38 AM
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| Might as well post my custom mouthpiece. 
Just punch a hole in the cart condom, with a large hole it also is a great 510/901 no remove, dripping mouthpiece too, | |
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01-07-2010, 07:47 AM
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| OK, you win, just too cool.
Got em and didn't even think about that.
OK, did mine, works fine.
give the guy a
GOLD STAR
Rocket
This is even easier to refill. and it's a pretty cheap to implement idea, FREE, and I like free.
I don't know what the best size hole might be but a spent 22 cal LR case makes a nice little hole punch. (or a .223 NATO case). After reloading cases 5 or 6 times, various calibers make great hole punches for gaskets and such.
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01-07-2010, 12:01 PM
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| Rocket, now you know why they make those 4 rail fore arms for the AR: one gets a trailer park w/ carto, one gets a 20 ml jug of juice, now thats tactical. bikes | |
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