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Old 06-11-2009, 04:10 PM   #26
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Thanks for the tips Lacey.

Ya.. I have been emailing the source (bestesmoking.com) daily... I have been non-aggressive.... and actually, I have been acting like possibly a simple mistake was made.. I understand that things can happen. IT has been atleast 2 weeks since I last heard from bestesmoking.com.

My EMS packing slip did not say anything like 1 of 2 packages sent...I was hoping that it would have some sort of 'number of packages' delivered field, but it does not.

Bestesmoking.com has been non-responsive to any of my emails inquiries...

I made a 1600$ order and only received about $800 worth of product.

At this time, I am of the opinion that bestesmoking.com has ran off with the money..
I believe that bestesmoking.com did not send out the products ordered.
I am secretly hoping that the products ordered were held by customs and they will be re-shipped to me at some time...hoping....hoping....

I do no recommend that ANYBODY purchase goods from bestesmoking.com as you risk losing your hard earned money.

I am currently working with another China distributor that seems more reliable and honest, but the prices are slightly higher...
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Cloud - You would have heard something by now. And, if customs/FDA would have stopped your shipment, you would have something in it noting that they did take a portion of your shipment.

EMS works, but isn't completely reliable so if they did send it, I wouldn't be surprised if your missing portion shows up later. Maybe with the recent Chinese holiday your contact is a little behind?

Maybe try contacting him/her again. (remember to be patient in your writing style and non-aggressive. There is already a language barrier and sometimes tone does not translate well... I have heard of folks/suppliers getting saucy and then not hearing another word from their Chinese counterparts)
Agreed.

try contacting him again. so far, FDA has never stopped our shipment.

or you can track the shipment on the website online. if you need help, let me know. I am willing to be helpful.
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I know this article is about analogs but it's one step closer to us. Stock up on supplies. I wonder if it makes sense to freeze e-juice? Does anyone know?

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one of my customers told me that he puts lots of juice in a refrigerator. it works well.
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I wonder if it makes sense to freeze e-juice? Does anyone know?
Don't know if you can freeze it normally (fridge/freezer). Depends on what % of PG is in the liquid.

A mix of 20% PG with water freezes at about 18f, a mix of 50/50 H20/PG freezes at -29f, 60% solution freezes at -55f.

Near the freezing point it turns to a "slush" like consistancy.

The curve goes almost vertical at that point, and the freezing point doesn't get much lower.
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Don't know if you can freeze it normally (fridge/freezer). Depends on what % of PG is in the liquid.

A mix of 20% PG with water freezes at about 18f, a mix of 50/50 H20/PG freezes at -29f, 60% solution freezes at -55f.

Near the freezing point it turns to a "slush" like consistancy.

The curve goes almost vertical at that point, and the freezing point doesn't get much lower.
thank you for the info. it is helpful!
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Thanks for the replys you've been very helpful. I can see where someone has done some homework. Now I guess the main question.....does it make sense to put it in the freezer rather than the fridge? Will it last longer? I've read it lasts about 6 months in a dark dry place and about 8 months in the fridge so will it last longer in the freezer? I just want to get ready for the inevidable that we all fear. Thanks again.
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does it make sense to put it in the freezer rather than the fridge? Will it last longer?
In theory yes - BUT, there are variables. It depends what on what else is in the liquid and in what percentage. Whether the solution is sterile (likely not). Also, if there is signifigant expansion of the fluid upon freezing, and subsequent reduction of volume when thawed.

PG does not expand signifigantly when frozen, other ingredients may, including water. This can cause microscopic damage during the freezing process which may alter flavor, longevity, etc... Hard to know without considerable study.

I would put 3-4 ml in a small container and try it. Thaw it back out and see if it tastes the same, lasts as long, etc...

Generally speaking, freezing does extend the life because you are "slowing down" the movement of organisms and natural processes that degrade the condition of the medium in question.

If e-juice has enough PG in it to keep it from becoming a solid at standard home freezers, it would last longer in the freezer than it does in the fridge without damaging it.
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Great idea. I will try freezing a small amount then let everyone know how it went. It looks like paid more attention in school than I did. Thanks!
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Naw, I cheated...

I'm a mechanical designer and I work with cryogenic fluids. And my boss is a chemical engineer with a PHD; so I started a discussion with him
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I have laid in my personal stockpile from Green Smoke until all the smoke/vapor blows over re the jackbooted FDA. I advise others to order their stockpiles from Green Smoke safely and quickly, same day shipping from South Florida with contact address and phone number. Excellent throat hit, 400 puffs per prefilled cart and fresh product. I cannot stress the importance enough of ordering from a company that has product in stock (no backorder). If you know of an eCig supplier that has product in stock then order from there. I just know for a fact that Green Smoke does so I am confident in recommending them.
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I just read this hope I put in the right thread...

WBNS 10TV : FDA Warning On Electronic Cigarettes - WBNS-10TV, Central Ohio's News Leader

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Yeah I've got plenty of thoughts but if I express them I'll be banned from this forum. I will say they are lying.

FDA officials declined to comment whether they would take action against the two manufacturers whose products were tested. They also declined to identify the companies.

Have you noticed in the news lately that most of their crap (and I DO mean crap) comes from unknown sources? Or based on anonimity so and so said something? It because so and so doesn't exist.


Marketed to kids........yeah I remember now, as soon as I turned 21 or maybe 18 I suddenly stopped liking candy and fruit so it must be for the children.

Electronic cigarettes produce a nicotine mist absorbed directly into the lungs. No burning is involved.

Whats the point? They are MY lungs.......aren't they? Or do they own them too? This is where I have to stop because I can't say anything else and be in control of my language. What bothers me the most is........we just let them do it to us each and everyday. When does it stop? It won't stop if someone dosen't stop it. Yeah, this is where I've got to end my post. God Help Us All!!!
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I just read this hope I put in the right thread...

WBNS 10TV : FDA Warning On Electronic Cigarettes - WBNS-10TV, Central Ohio's News Leader

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Short but not sweet.
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I found an email address for them: pix@10tv.com

I wrote an email explaining the omissions of the FDA as well as letting them know the FDA website has much more info about the testing that was done. There is MUCH more to the story.

Well, I just got a bounceback from them - it said the submission failed. No pix from a phone attached. Dammit...

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Short but not sweet.
Ageed!... maybe I just got up on the wrong side of the bed the way I'm feeling now...

...But that's just wrong!
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OK - found a contact page on their website:

WBNS 10TV : Contact 10TV - WBNS-10TV, Central Ohio's News Leader

I'm writin' again!
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Is it just me or is the FDA focusing on the wrong thing here. I mean, ok, if you want to test and regulate how the liquid is made I could understand that, but they're generalizing the device as a drug delivery method. What about water pipes? Those are on sale in some pretty accessable places, and im sure no one *really* believes they're for tobacco smoking :P
If they want to address something in a realistic manner they should be focusing on a way to regulate nicotine liquid contents and distribution, not just generalizing the whole thing as dangerous.
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ON BEHALF OF NJOY, CEO Jack Leadbeater
July 23, 2009
NJOY RESPONSE TO FDA CONFERENCE CALL
NJOY’s products have been on the market since at least April 2007 with no reports of significant
adverse health consequences. We do not market our products to children, and indeed take
affirmative steps to ensure that our products are not sold to minors by requiring retailers to agree
to where the product is placed and request verification of appropriate age as it pertains to each
state law.
NJOY has been tested by an independent third-party laboratory, Exponent. This testing, as well
as our consultation with medical experts, gives us confidence that our products are appropriate
alternatives for traditional cigarettes for the committed smoker. We are therefore surprised the
FDA's testing has resulted in the Agency suggesting that our products represent a health risk on
par with conventional cigarettes. We will provide more information on NJOY's testing and the
results in the next few days.
The FDA's report admits its conclusions don't apply to all products.
- Broad statements were made on the call that Diethylene glycol (DEG) was detected in
the test samples, but the specific report shows that DEG was not found in NJOY's
products.
- The results touted by FDA related to antifreeze are inapplicable to NJOY’s products (per
the FDA report) .
- FDA’s report simply shows that the products contain certain tobacco-specific impurities
(at much lower levels than conventional cigarettes, and this is something we are having
our experts compare in the reports conduct by NJOY and the FDA).
We find it interesting the FDA’s report is dated May fourth and is only now being released. The
FDA has not asked us to relabel our product, or to remove it from product shelves, at any point in
the two years we have been in the market.
We remain willing to work with FDA to address the Agency’s concerns.
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Rumors are circulating that Blu is one of the companies being singled out to be under FDA scrutiny, that their shipments were being seized and tested for contaminents (apparently nJOY was another). If so this is a sad time for Blu and the Vaping Movement. This whole biased mess is impacting everyone on down to the small mom and pop outfits. No doubt the FDA (whose strings are pulled by Big Tobacco and Big Pharma) had to take some of the big players out to shut eCigs down. Blu's website is still up but with a statement that they are not taking orders. It's a sad day for American vapers, that's for sure.
The company I am a Sales Rep for (Green Smoke) was not singled out by the FDA but even they are now concentrating their focus on the UK market already. WTF, what do we have to do, all move to the UK for freedom to vape?
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How much is a one-way plane ticket to England from Chicago? Hmmm?

Yeah, I'll quit vaping when they put me in jail!
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I'll give up my e-cig when they pry my cold dead fingers from around it!
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The way I figure it...I'll go to jail over it...as a political prisoner! I AM NOT QUITTING VAPING!
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Thats exactly what it is too......political! They don't care about our health. If they did tobbaco would have been banned many years ago. Our money and their power is what they want but they need less of both.
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Of course it's political. The tobacco industry has one of the most poewerful lobbyists in Congress and it does NOT want vaping to be legal as it will dip greatly into thier profits!

On the news the other night when the FDA was talking about vaping not being safe, the reporter mentioned that vaping is a one hundred million dollar per year business in the U S. Now that tells me the tobacco industry is a bit upset at the losses they have and will continue to sustain.

I'll keep vaping. I'm already on disabilty so if the gov wants to start giving me 3 hots and a cot instead of a monthly check they can go for it.
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