Loki

Ok Im the new guy so bear with me on this one please. I was a two pack a day smoker. And now have a joye 510. I have been useing e-juice from healthcabin.net 24mg usa mix they call it marlboro flavor because in my area it's all that I can find without ordering online. It's from a new shop and the only shop around here that sells anything to do with e-cigs. I use to smoke Marlboro Light 100s so this is more nic then im use to or would like to be useing. I like it alot but would like to cut the nic level down but im not sure how to mix I have tryed a bunch of Loranns and love them alot. Mostly like the Loranns' Cinnamon OIL. I hear the oil is not good for the atty. But don't know why it's not good for it. Can you all please inlighten me as to why it's not good to use please? Also is adding Loranns really cutting the nic level or is there something I should also add to cut the lvl or nic with out lossing the flavor of the usa mix all together. With any luck this retail outlet will soon carry more flavors and levels of nic. Because I have no credit cards or bank account to be able to order online. I know of the whole prepayed credit card thing but I just can't bring my self to pay extra money to load money on a prepayed card. Please advise me in easy to understand terms I am not the smartest person some say handicapped. So any math skills above a 9th grade level is only going make me more confused. Any and all advice would make my day.

Thanx in advance

Löki

damunster

When I want to cut the nic down, I order the same flavor with 0 nic (or a simular flavor) so I don't lose the taste. I find if I cut it with PG or VG I lose some of the flavor. My favorite tobacco flavor is the Flue Cured.

Kaye

Loki, there are others who know lots more than me but I'll give you the little I know (which i learned here on the forum). I also use Lorann's candy oil flavors sometimes but they are intended to just flavor the nicotine liquid so you only use 10 drops of the flavor to 100 or more drops of the juice, not enough to really cut the nicotine level. Some people say that some of the oils are a little sticky and that stickiness gums up your atomizer. If that happens, you may be able to clean it off by soaking it for a couple of hours in a diet soda (yes, like diet coke or pepsi).

To reduce the nicotine level from 24, you can mix the nicotine liquid with food grade vegetable glycerin which is available at most pharmacies (ask the pharmacist) and also at Walmart and hobby/craft stores like Hobby Lobby, JoAnne's, or Michael's. If you mix it with the nicotine liquid half and half, then you will cut your nicotine level in half so you would have 12mg nic liquid. If you mix 3 parts nic liquid and 1 part glycerine, then you will have 18mg nic liquid. Mixing with the unflavored glycerine will cut down the taste of the Marlboro flavor but you can add LorAnn's to boost the flavor to something you like. If you were buying online, you could order the nicotine liquid in the flavor you want with less nicotine so I suggest you talk to the seller you're using and ask him if he could order some lower level nicotine in your flavor; it's available in 0mg - 6mg - 12mg - 16mg and on up. Glad to hear you can find a local seller to buy what you need to start vaping.

Generic

A clever fellow on another forum created this awesome little gadget to calculate just about anything you might want to know regarding mixing juice:

Scubabatdan's Ejuice Calculator

Just plug in your numers and let 'er rip!

Good luck.

-Generic

Rocketman

I have found that accuracy really ISN'T that important when cutting e-juice.
I am a math freak, and it really hurts to say that

Let's cut some juice to HALF STRENGTH.

Example: I want to cut some 24mg/ml (just a little to strong for me now) to maybe something like 10mg/ml or 12mg/ml or 14mg/ml, just not too low like 6mg/ml or too high like 20mg/ml.
10, 12, 14mg/ml? really hard to tell the difference.


Here's what to do (I still use the Graduated Class A cylinders, and ALGEBRA to mix mine):

Decide how much you want to risk mixing (I mix about 100 to 200ml at a time for the swamp lady and myself) how about one 30ml (1 ounce) bottle. Not too big a risk, right?

Take the strong e-juice and pour a little into a CLEAN one ounce bottle (about half full).
For those with OCD, fill the clean bottle EXACTLY half full.

Take a bottle of Loranns Strong Candy Flavoring (the 1 dram/ 3.7ml bottle) and pour a little less than half the bottle into the clean one ounce bottle.
And again for the OCD afflicted, use 1.50 ml of flavoring.

Now take USP grade Propylene Glycol or Food Grade VEGETABLE Glycerin and fill the one ounce bottle. (come on, not up to the top please).

You have cut the original strength to about half.
You OCD patients out there can now obsess over whether you have 12mg/ml or 11mg/ml juice. or maybe it's 13mg/ml - Oh NO !!!

The hardest part of mixing e-juice is deciding what flavor to try first.
If you have a severe case of OCD you will never get past this point

LABEL your bottle.
You can get a really nice bottle from your pharmacist with an eye dropper, in one or 2 ounce sizes. No need to order if you only want one or two.

A little note on Oil based flavors. I resisted using them at first but now don't hesitate. A 510 atomizer is $7 (no extra shipping if you add it to an order) so risk is low.
The oil based Loranns flavors (like Cinnamon) has cinnamon oil dissolved in a alcohol/glycerin mixture (educated guess here folks). The amount of "OIL" in a 3.7ml bottle is about 1ml. If you use a whole bottle to flavor 50ml of juice (7.4% flavoring) then that is about 2% vegetable based oil in your juice mixture, which mixes pretty dawn well with PG or VG. The oily nature of the Nicotine is probably (guessing again folks) just as damaging to your atomizer as this small amount of flavoring.
I'm not having a problem with 510 or 901 attys.
The Rocket

anonymous

The reason why oils are bad for the atomizer is because of the following (this is assuming you're using a standard NiChrome wrap around a porous core style IE: Not a Ruyan V8):

1. The material in the atty is porous, that is full of thousands and thousands of micro holes. These are in a ceramic or polymer mesh and don't like to be congested. They mix the E-Liquid with air to create a vapor. If they get clogged with oils, they don't perform as well. Think about dipping a spoon in oil; it does not want to come off, even with water. You physically have to wipe it and use a solvent to clean it. Apply this to thousands of little holes that you simply can't wipe the insides of.
2. An oil requires a lot more energy to vaporize (phase change). Unlike our other chemicals being used, oil simply is not seeing enough work imparted by the e-cig to change phase.

Hope this helps!

Loki

Ok so I added to much oil got my atty all blocked up and tryed many things listed on the forums to clean it out. With no luck. Tryed the diet soda some vodka lots of blowing in the little wholes till I almost blacked out. And then thot I would take it to work and use the compressor to do the blowing for me. Did not work. I was really starting to think Ok time to toss this one in the garbitch. Then it hit me. We use lots of very strong chemicals at work with are used to clean bakery pans. Why not try one of them before tossing the atty away. Well one of the chemicals is pretty much a super nail polish remover in it's pure chemical form. It has no odor like normal polish remover. So I got a small glass and filled it with the liquid and let it soak for about 2 hours , I was not planning on letting it go so long but I got bisy with work and forgot. Well I went back pulled it from it's bath and washed it out really well blowed it out with compressed air and bam! it worked , but when I was blowing it out something that looks like dental floss came out . It not the polly packing stuff does not even look close to that. It looks like dental floss. What it is should I be worried? Oh yeah and the stainless joye 510's are plated if anyone cared to know that. Because after the soak about half of the plateing pealed off. Also as a side note the atty taisted like cinnamon oil for about 12 puffs after cleaning. All said and done the atty seems to be working just fine missing some stainless plateing and it's dental floss is no longer inside where I guess it should be. And I will not be useing the cinnamon oil any longer. Maybe I'll make some lollypops Or rock candy ! lol


Löki

Lazarus

Wow, that's amazing!

I prolly would have just tossed it in the garbitch and seen what she said ...but that's just me.

I could use the extra dental floss, that stuff is expensive.

Loki

Blow out your 510's and there ya go !

Loki

OK so the dental floss is suposta be in there first off. ( Learned from another forum.) It's there to help wick the atty removing does not stop the atty from working as a matter of my opinion the atty works better without it. It seems to hold the flavor of what ever was last flooded into the atty and without it the atty can't hold the flavor as good but I change what I vap alot mix up flavors all day. If I feel like grape I load a grape cart and im good to go. But with the dental floss still in the atty I taste what ever I had loaded for the first 10 puffs. Also as a side note with out the dental floss if you run your cart dry or vap like mad for a few mins you will get the burnt metal taste. I puff 5 to 10 puffs and put it down for abit with no metal taste. But if I were to puff 15 to 20 I get the metal taste around the 15 mark. So to tie up this rant if you vap like mad and always use the same flavor leave the floss in there if not blow that crap out.

Now for why I really wanted to make this post.

USP grade Propylene Glycol Where can I find it without ordering it online ?

I have been cutting my juice with VG but it seems abit bitter tasteing to me.

Thanx Löki

godling

Many people have success asking for PG at a pharmacy. You can also buy it at a feed store (grange, co-op, etc) ... In case you're wondering, it's used to treat livestock ketosis (a dry skin condition). My feed store had to special order it. It came in a gallon sized container for $30.

anonymous

Shoot me an email or a PM with your general location and i'll check my database of local chem suppliers for you.