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08-20-2011, 01:15 AM
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#1 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| I got to ask you guys that are familiar with mods and vaping at higher voltage about these fake counterfit batteries.
I just got done watching a video that explains how to tell if a battery is counterfit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1c6HJDD1UA
Well let me tell you what happened. I got my order in and went ahead and unwrapped my batteries. Well when I did this I kinda cut the body's flame jacket. Well I asked someone if it was still safe to use the battery itself. A guy said as long as you cut the body and not the top you are ok and good to go. He then went on to explain that is how he tells if his batteries are counterfit. Ok so that opened a new set a questions. Well from his description and from this video I am starting to wonder if the batteries I have purchased are counterfit. 
Yeah I know the quality of the picture sucks, the closer I get up on it the more blury it gets. No that wasn't how bad I cut it but now I have kinda made the little rip a little bigger cause now I keep looking at it.
Anywho, the guy also said that if underneath the flame jacket is green then that is another sign that the batteries are counterfit. Well underneath the flame jacket looks to be green, or is that just that I didn't cut the entire flame jacket. Hmmmmm now I am wondering if that is just part of the flame jacket. Is that possible??
I am scared to take off the flame jacket but then again I am scared not to take it off. Oh boy I sure know how to get a mess going don't I.
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08-20-2011, 01:18 AM
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#2 | | Suum Cuique Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: stronghurst, IL USA
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Originally Posted by CountryCarolyn  Yeah I know the quality of the picture sucks, the closer I get up on it the more blury it gets. No that wasn't how bad I cut it but now I have kinda made the little rip a little bigger cause now I keep looking at it. | put a piece of white paper under the battery then take another pick, will help with the glare(so long as its not high gloss paper...) also dim or remove some of the more direct lighting.
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08-20-2011, 01:25 AM
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#3 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| Great idea Panther that worked pretty good!!  | |
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08-20-2011, 01:25 AM
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| Fake counterfeit or real counterfeit?
At the bottom, where the flame wrapper goes over the edge. cut it there and peel about a quarter inch of the wrapper off. You should see a little metal strip going up the side. That proves "protected". Ultrafire buys cells from various companies, adds a protection circuit and wrapper. Their cells came from someone else. Not counterfeit, intentional. The color underneath the flame wrapper is just that. The color under the wrapper.
They are not, prime A grade Japanese Li-ion cells. If you are uncomfortable with that brand then buy AW brand. They are A grade Japanese (or Korean) cells. AW buys them, adds a protection circuit, and a wrapper.
When you are done playing with the cell, wrap some black electrical tape over the bare case.
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08-20-2011, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CountryCarolyn Great idea Panther that worked pretty good!! | No it didn't  . Take a pair of reading glasses and put that in front of the cell phone camera.
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08-20-2011, 01:33 AM
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#6 | | awarded title of Sir Arse Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| CC, verify the cells you received actually have the protection circuit board at the negative end and the little strip of metal going to the positive end. If it does not have that it is counterfeit and the vendor WILL refund your money.
Most small vendors go shopping for Li-ion cells on ebay or even worse, Deal Extreme.
Sometimes they get crap. Whether you buy crap direct, or buy crap from a "reputable" vendor, crap is crap. If it is not protected, contact your vendor.
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Originally Posted by Rocketman
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08-20-2011, 01:34 AM
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#7 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| Umm this metal bar going up the side should it then be soldered to something flat on the bottom??
Seriously I am clueless about batteries!!! | |
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08-20-2011, 01:35 AM
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#8 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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Originally Posted by Rocketman No it didn't . Take a pair of reading glasses and put that in front of the cell phone camera. |
I think my phone might take a better shot. One sec good idea!! LOL | |
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08-20-2011, 01:40 AM
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| The actual connection is hidden. Here is the strip.
and here is the board on the bottom.
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08-20-2011, 01:43 AM
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#10 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| Alright yeah it is still blurry. I hope though this shows enough.
There is a space between this plate looking thing and the "battery" itself!!  | |
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08-20-2011, 01:44 AM
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#11 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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Originally Posted by Rocketman The actual connection is hidden. Here is the strip.
and here is the board on the bottom. |
Ok so the bottom part of it is nothing to stress over. It has that metal thing and it also has the same yellow as in your picture.
Man whew I so did not want to contact another freeking vendor, do you hear me!!!!!! | |
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08-20-2011, 01:52 AM
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| I'm going to guess that this lot of cells from Ultrafire/Trustfire used a different source for the bare cells. The counterfeit issue is with batteries that aren't even protected, just have a fake wrapper. They aren't "prime grade A", but we always knew that from the cost.
Those you have should not have cost you more than $7 each. I hope. Because we have posted places to get them.
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A good e-juice, fresh carto, and 3.7 volts from a REALLY REALLY BIG battery works for me. YMMV
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08-20-2011, 01:53 AM
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#13 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| Well I may be a tad paranoid I guess. SORRRYYYY ALLL!!!
Hopefully this thread can come in handy for some other person out there as clueless as I am!!
Now where did I put that electrical tape?? LOL | |
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08-20-2011, 01:57 AM
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Originally Posted by CountryCarolyn Well I may be a tad paranoid I guess. SORRRYYYY ALLL!!!
Hopefully this thread can come in handy for some other person out there as clueless as I am!!
Now where did I put that electrical tape?? LOL | No, you are not paranoid (not overly so anyway).
You now know how to tell for sure that a cell has a protection circuit or not. Don't forget to cover the bare end with electrical tape, covering a little bit of the bottom to keep the protection circuit from jiggling around. Check all your cells for nicks and cuts in the wrapper.
You learned your "one little thing everyday of your life", and it ain't even 2AM yet (here anyway)
You done good GF. now, if we could work on those picture taking skills a little
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A good e-juice, fresh carto, and 3.7 volts from a REALLY REALLY BIG battery works for me. YMMV
Originally Posted by Rocketman
...Quasi was right...Once
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08-20-2011, 02:05 AM
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#15 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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Originally Posted by Rocketman I'm going to guess that this lot of cells from Ultrafire/Trustfire used a different source for the bare cells. The counterfeit issue is with batteries that aren't even protected, just have a fake wrapper. They aren't "prime grade A", but we always knew that from the cost.
Those you have should not have cost you more than $7 each. I hope. Because we have posted places to get them. | Even better!! 6 bucks for 2!! TheCustomSaborShop.com. Shipping is high but they did send it in a box and packing was awesome. It was packed almost as good as wizards packing if that tells you anything. Quote:
Originally Posted by Rocketman No, you are not paranoid (not overly so anyway).
You now know how to tell for sure that a cell has a protection circuit or not. Don't forget to cover the bare end with electrical tape, covering a little bit of the bottom to keep the protection circuit from jiggling around. Check all your cells for nicks and cuts in the wrapper.
You learned your "one little thing everyday of your life", and it aint' even 2AM yet (here anyway)
You done good GF. now, if we could work on those picture taking skills a little | So true so true, the entire time I was thinking well I am at least learning dern it, LOL!!
Oh man my cameras stink around here!! | |
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08-20-2011, 02:09 AM
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| That's where I buy my Trustfires.
You can watch this one, it shows some protected cells in it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQsPyN62tXs
and I sort of trust this guy
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A good e-juice, fresh carto, and 3.7 volts from a REALLY REALLY BIG battery works for me. YMMV
Originally Posted by Rocketman
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08-20-2011, 02:17 AM
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#17 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| Tek is the one that turned me on to them. Still with shipping they are cheaper than anywhere else, I have heard good things about them but when that one person said green underneath I started freeking out. Especially since that guy had that one mod blow up in his face.
Well here is what I am sticking these trustfires in. This picture was taken for you rocket personally. I took it earlier and never got around to posting. 
I call it the double decker tek mod, LOL!! | |
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08-20-2011, 02:21 AM
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| That's cool. Looks sort of like a radio control for a model car
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08-20-2011, 02:28 AM
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#19 | | Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: tennessee
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| It is a 4 aa battery box. I thought about vaping on one while sticking the other up my nose, not really but it was a thought, LOL.
That video is nice it actually shows the protection circuit a little more and has some good advice on when you should get rid of a battery. Which that will make the 2nd thing for the day, lol.
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Man sometimes I am slow, you know it does look like a radio control for a model car. I never thought about that!!
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08-20-2011, 09:06 AM
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#20 | | Modder Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: rhode island usa
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| it has the ability to take two 14500 li ion batts, in parallel, and fire either or, atty/cartomiser connector and you could do it at the same time.. altho it would have to be by some one full of hot air and with a big mouth... jk...
i made it on my show, and had pbrucario or how do you spell his name, he made one first, so i asked if he would join me and we made this... the funny part is cause i added leds, and parallel batts he said he has to now do one better, and i think if i do it again it might as well be vari volt... but that would need a third led... just so that when its on you know, cause the atty connectors have to be switched for independant uses..
and rocky is that your youtube, cause if soo.... that voice sounds very formaler on the 3.838 Marconi net.. | |
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08-20-2011, 09:48 AM
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#21 | | waiting patiently... Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Everywhere, USA Full-time RV'er currently in West Columbia, Texas
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Originally Posted by Rocketman | Ok Rocky,
Let's say I wake up one morning, and half-assed-asleep I put a freshly charged battery into a LeCig BOSS upside down. (yes dammit, I did it)
Now the switch is fried and has to be replaced. What about the battery? Is it ruined too? (even though it does still work)
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08-20-2011, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Teri Ok Rocky,
Let's say I wake up one morning, and half-assed-asleep I put a freshly charged battery into a LeCig BOSS upside down. (yes dammit, I did it)
Now the switch is fried and has to be replaced. What about the battery? Is it ruined too? (even though it does still work) | If the battery still charges to 4.2 and vapes, it is still good. The open circuit negative voltage probably killed the switch not excessive current. It did nothing to the battery.
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08-20-2011, 11:45 AM
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#23 | | waiting patiently... Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Everywhere, USA Full-time RV'er currently in West Columbia, Texas
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Originally Posted by Rocketman If the battery still charges to 4.2 and vapes, it is still good. The open circuit negative voltage probably killed the switch not excessive current. It did nothing to the battery. | Well, that's one good thing. Let my mistake be a lesson to the rest of you. Careful how you insert that battery!
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08-20-2011, 11:46 AM
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#24 | | Suum Cuique Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: stronghurst, IL USA
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Originally Posted by Teri Careful how you insert that battery! | i'm gonna leave that one alone...... for now.....
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08-20-2011, 11:49 AM
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#25 | | waiting patiently... Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Everywhere, USA Full-time RV'er currently in West Columbia, Texas
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Originally Posted by PantherLord i'm gonna leave that one alone...... for now..... | Somehow, i expected that from someone 
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