Shekinahsgroom

Oooooor you don't b*tch-slap your in-laws when you get a divorce, do ya?

berger

Depends on what your buying....for example the cartos...what are the odds they would be faulty if its a known product and has performed fine for you in the past...very slim chance there would be any more problems then those you have purchased elsewhere..
However if buying a new PV...could be a whole different story..then the cost of freighting something back is unlikely to be worth the cost in all honestly...by the time you paid fright here and paid to send it back...its no longer a good buy anymore in all probability unless it was a high dollar item...IMO...its pretty much a blind risk but no different then purchasing from a supplier here...they will at least insulate you with their repeated buying power where as a one off has no real leverage...

Pit Vaper

I'm still on the fence Shek, kinda waiting for the details of this Co-Op to get nailed down a bit more, but interested in DCC's mostly.

Shekinahsgroom

I don't blame ya Pit...

I don't have a lot of details just yet because I haven't started negotiations.

This thread was only opened to spark interest on a group buy-in and to cover any questions before we begin.

For those of you that are interested in Boge, I'm gonna try again to get a better spreadsheet directly from Boge again. Cuz the one I received from another party, just doesn't have the information that I need, it doesn't show all of their products and it doesn't have any freight terms. Their site pretty much sucks too.

For those of you that want SmokTech, hop on over to the spreadsheet thread and review the very first page. It briefly covers your options on a SAMPLE purchase, if you'd like to be the recipient of your purchase, but doesn't list specifics on returns....(Unless I missed it somewhere in there? Only glanced.)

Based on my experience, though, everything is negotiable. You just have to ask the right questions and have all of your facts together when dealing with the Chinese. But if everyone wants to get the best deal, these companies will compete for your business. They know that the technology changes so fast on these things that all they wanna do is CLEAR OUT their inventory to make room for the next and newest design so they're not stuck with massive amounts of surplus.

RY4

Actually, I keep said defective product until the next time I go by that store then take it back then. No special trips. The companies I order from online do not required me to pay for return shipping on defective items. They either include a return shipping label with order or send one on request.

RY4

Why yes I do...

Shekinahsgroom

Hmmmmmm....

Shekinahsgroom

You're obviously not shopping on eBay....

Sounds more like an on-line pharmacy?

No special trips? WOW....you must shop a lot, huh?

Most retail stores are 30-day returns.

RY4

I do shop on ebay some. A couple of items that were sent defective the seller (a good one) always paid to have it returned. Those that chose to ignore me or not pay for the return, I just put in a claim with Paypal and they refunded my money after either contacting or trying to contact the supplier.

Nope, haven't bought from an on-line pharmacy before. Usually shop the larger companies known companies but even some of the smaller, less known ones have paid for return shipping on defective items.

Yes, most stores do have that 30 day policy but if you go past it, the ones I've known will give you at least a store credit. But I don't usually hold a defective item for more than 30 days

Shekinahsgroom

Whaaaat?

How do you get a seller to pay for your return freight through Paypal?

If its not in the seller terms that they'll do that, then how are you doing it?

I know that Paypal will refund your initial freight, but you can't force a seller to pay your return costs....

And the "pharma" reference was a joke, M....

Shekinahsgroom

You and B have been added for ST DCC's, on comment page #63

RY4

LOL! I'd be skeerd to buy pharma online. This is what I know about my purchases on ebay regardless of whether the seller stats he/she will pay for return shipping. I did have one have that policy listed and I ran a business on ebay for a few years. When the item is defective or not as pictured, you can file a complaint through Paypal... I guess under their buyer protection thing.. IDK... Anyway, they will contact the seller with what I am asking for, return of a defective item without having to pay to return it. Seller will either not respond and Paypal will automatically refund my money, or seller will state they wish me to pay for return shipping then again Paypal will still refund my money due to it being defective or misrepresented, or seller will send a return label to me and it is resolved. As a seller when I was on there, paypal would take this refund in favor of the buyer 99% of the time. Now if the buyer just changed their mind then no.... but if defective or misrepresented, yes. This is even if the PO damages the item in delivery. Been through that monkey ring circus too.

Shekinahsgroom

BTW....don't know if I clarified this area yet?

If there are those of you that don't wish to disclose your "personal" information in a Co-Op but would still like to get the benefits of a group purchase, it may be possible to include your order with the group, but you would have to pay your own freight costs to have your shipment delivered to your home directly.

That goes for everyone, actually.

And if I'm unable to include "singles" into the group buy, you can still submit a sample order and get your goods at a wholesale price. Just be sure to order enough stuff to cover your freight costs and still get a great deal.

Those of you singles that don't want to wait for us to work out the group details, can in fact order at anytime you wish.

The contacts are listed on the spreadsheets....and if you need help on the "how to's" of negotiating, just drop me a PM and I'll help you get what you need.

Shekinahsgroom

WOW, Paypal has changed a lot, where have I been??

I haven't run into this scenario before but that sounds like hell of guarantee!!

As it really should be considering the mish-mash that goes on over there....

I stand corrected, M....

gwp

Thats a bonus that you have to pay for.

Shekinahsgroom

A bonus?

That's probably the ONLY bonus that I would immediately opt-out if I knew the ending.

Shekinahsgroom

Got a response and a contact with Boge Tech now.....will be continuing negotiations once I've gathered everyone's desired order.

You'll need to be specific on how many cartomizers that you'll want to order, under the premise of them being $0.59/ea.

Here is Boge's e-mail response that I received today:

Hi there,

Thanks for your email, this is Jodie from Boge Technology and I will be respond to your enquiries from now on.

To answer to your questions,
1. Freight terms - We ship our products through all types of shipping companies, including UPS, EMS, TNT, DHL and so on. Normally we suggest our clients to use UPS because they are faster and safer (but cost a little bit more as well).
2. Warranty information - Our e cigarettes and accessories have four months warrenty after the date of shipment, the warrenty of our e liquid is two to three years.
3. DOA - Any defective products have to be shipped back to our company within four months of the shipment or taken clear photos as reference to our quality control department.
4. For the price of blank 510 cartomizer, the lowest price as I know is USD$0.48 each, but that is on a large quantity of order say more than 50,000 pieces. If someone offer you a price of USD$0.43 then I can be very confidence to tell you that is not from BOGE origin.
5. Quote of shipping price - sorry I can not work out a shipping price until I know the total weight of your order.

If you have any questions, please feel free to let me know. Cheers.

Regards,
Jodie


Start throwing out questions if you have them?

tek

I would take at least 100 cartomisers, maby more depends on if this will go threw bro. But yes i want stainless 3 ohm cartomisers. i would idealy love 200 and should not be that bad..

Shekinahsgroom

What price are you offering Boge per piece?

Steampunk

Consider it done!

tek

i want in on ur deal bro

wetwire

Shek or anyone for that matter.

What about also contacting Good Prophets or Madvapes and running our deal past them as well. MVs deals in a pretty large volume and Good Prophets always have pretty substantial savings at the 10 and 20 marks for retail. They already have some leverage with these companies. Maybe they would be interested in a blind drop ship sort of deal. I mean if we don't come up with more than they usually order the might get it a little cheaper. Could be that they would be willing to make just a very small transaction fee. Then again...

What I am saying is if we are not able to negotiate a deal with the manufacturer to get the overall cost low enough. Very little work for MVs or GPs. And its not like they were going to make any money if they don't get in on it. We tell them what we want and what we are willing to pay. Send em a check. They send to one of us. We distribute to members.

Might be that it can't work out but, seems worth a shot. Heck, they might just sell us inventory they already have

tek

I was hoping rather that a supplier on this forum would help us out a bit, some one who might understand that we are just trying to do a lil stocking up, and will still buy the standard stuff off of them, i will try to talk to a friend of mine who owns vixenvapors, but he is really busy opening up a retail store...

wetwire

right.. and then when we need something small they will remember who put a little money in their pocket

tek

Well that is the thing, most suppliers i think may shy away, but if some one wanted a smart buy, grouping up with some of the "little people" will deffenatly make us all richer in the end, logical thinkin..