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06-23-2009, 08:24 AM
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#1 | | Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM
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| Hi, just got my first ecig, a DSE 901 - I used it off and on for about an hour, and then seemed to have trouble drawing on it. Then there was a slight burn smell and taste. Still getting vapor - is this the cartridge? the fact it's a new ecig or something else?
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08-01-2009, 06:10 PM
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#2 | | The Seditionist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL
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| I'm having the same problem with 3 brand new atts I just got. I modified the carts and still get that yucky taste unless I drip right on the atty. Then as soon as it burns off it goes back to the nasty taste. What is up with that? |
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08-01-2009, 06:20 PM
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#3 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis
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| New atomizers are coated with a primer of some type of light weight machine oil. It takes a while for that nasty stuff to burn off. You can accelerate the process by turning your atomizer upside down on a paper towel and draining it overnight. I just wrap the wick end of the atomizer with a paper towel and blow air into the other end of the atomizer until cleared, then flood the atty with some eliquid and purge it a second time. This seems to clear all the oil out of them and they taste normal again. I hope this helps. |
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08-01-2009, 08:22 PM
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#4 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Nebraska
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| If you have trouble drawing on it......look closly and you will see a tiny hole on the atty on the battery end. If you accidently cover this hole it will be really hard to draw through. Other times if your not getting much vapor you can kinda like tap on this hole while drawing to get it started. Practice a little bit and you'll get it. |
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08-01-2009, 08:53 PM
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#5 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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| What works for me is soaking the atti about an hour in a shot glass of Everclear (alcohol) which usually clears the new atti's primer coating and cleans the bridge of any bad taste. I rinse with distilled water and let dry completely. I may hit the atomizer bridge with 2 drops of juice before popping back on the cart.
I solved all my draw problems when I switched to Pyramid Tea Bags (PTBs) for cart filler material*.
*( There is an FYI thread on this elsewhere in this forum.)
__________________ "Life is tough .... It's even tougher if you're stupid." -- John Wayne
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08-02-2009, 01:13 AM
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#6 | | Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Midsouthern U.S.
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| I have 5 atty's and mainly use 3 of them. With certain flavors by a certain brand, it seems like the flavor burns of first, leaving me with a 'burnt' taste. I'm just guessing about the flavor burning off, but all the other areas are covered. I know it isn't becuase of primer , becuase I've used these heavily for weeks. Also, all three have been cleaned at least one. Two attys have been cleaned 3 times. So I'm fairly sure it's not the primer, but have had a primer experience, before.
At first, I suspected my method of cleanig. I saw a few people advise a vinegar soak, rinse, rinse, and dry. However, the taste didn't arrive until after a few cleanings.
Other juices(even three of the same brand as the problem juice), seem to vape cleaner. I'm also positive that I'm not dry vaping, becuase I've tasted that before. The fact that I still get plenty of vapor should be a sign that my atty isn't dry, also.
I wonder if it's an ingredient in the problem juices, or if the flavor just burns of first leaving nic and glycol. I also wonder if the presence of VG could be to blame? |
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08-02-2009, 01:43 AM
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#7 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by flavorcountry I have 5 atty's and mainly use 3 of them. With certain flavors by a certain brand, it seems like the flavor burns of first, leaving me with a 'burnt' taste. I'm just guessing about the flavor burning off, but all the other areas are covered. I know it isn't becuase of primer , becuase I've used these heavily for weeks. Also, all three have been cleaned at least one. Two attys have been cleaned 3 times. So I'm fairly sure it's not the primer, but have had a primer experience, before.
At first, I suspected my method of cleanig. I saw a few people advise a vinegar soak, rinse, rinse, and dry. However, the taste didn't arrive until after a few cleanings.
Other juices(even three of the same brand as the problem juice), seem to vape cleaner. I'm also positive that I'm not dry vaping, becuase I've tasted that before. The fact that I still get plenty of vapor should be a sign that my atty isn't dry, also.
I wonder if it's an ingredient in the problem juices, or if the flavor just burns of first leaving nic and glycol. I also wonder if the presence of VG could be to blame? | Okay, here is what I try in similar situation that you desribed though it may not work in your specific case. (If it does have something to do with the juice.)
I soak the offending atti for an hour in a shot glass full of PepsiŪ.
It has a tendency to dissolve a few remnants in the atti that the cleaning you described doesn't.
A Distilled Water Rinse & Dry how I normally finish up with it.
( I found that a hair blow dryer can speed drying things up nicely.)
Hope this helps...let us know how you make out!
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08-02-2009, 02:25 AM
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#8 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Vancouver, WA
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| Your cartridge can pick up flavors off your atomizer. If you are getting a foul taste in your vape, clean your atty and your cartridge batting (or replace the cart) and see if it helps.
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08-02-2009, 02:33 AM
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#9 | | Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Midsouthern U.S.
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| Yeah , I saw the soda posted when I first started vaping, but saw vinegar also. I just want to say for anyone reading this: whatever you use rinse it out well. I want to ask; do you think diet cola will work ?
Oh, and for Stehle, I've noticed that quote on the bottm of your many posts. Is that Steven Wright, as in K billy's super sounds of the 70's, and the guy on the couch? |
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08-02-2009, 02:46 AM
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#10 | | Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Midsouthern U.S.
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Originally Posted by godling Your cartridge can pick up flavors off your atomizer. If you are getting a foul taste in your vape, clean your atty and your cartridge batting (or replace the cart) and see if it helps. | Personally, we have almost thirty carts at my house. I opted for a hobby-box for my first organizer, with different sized slots as opposed to the daily medicine cases I see many people use. Well, I have two slots for dirty carts and material, and two for clean. I switch carts at least once a day and my wife does on some odd basis. When half the carts find their way to the dirty side, I wash. That way, we always have plenty to spare.
The real question is, in a tag team fight between Steven Wright & Chris Farley against Seinfeld & John Candy . . .who would win? |
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08-02-2009, 02:56 AM
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#11 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by flavorcountry Yeah , I saw the soda posted when I first started vaping, but saw vinegar also. I just want to say for anyone reading this: whatever you use rinse it out well. I want to ask; do you think diet cola will work ?
Oh, and for Stehle, I've noticed that quote on the bottm of your many posts. Is that Steven Wright, as in K billy's super sounds of the 70's, and the guy on the couch? | " I bought some used paint. It was in the shape of a house."
Yeah, very funny guy.
Diet would be fine its the acid in a Cola that does the cleaning deed.
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08-02-2009, 03:00 AM
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#12 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by flavorcountry The real question is, in a tag team fight between Steven Wright & Chris Farley against Seinfeld & John Candy . . .who would win? | Death wins.
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08-02-2009, 09:50 AM
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#13 | | The Seditionist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL
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Originally Posted by nebraskapuffer If you have trouble drawing on it......look closly and you will see a tiny hole on the atty on the battery end. If you accidently cover this hole it will be really hard to draw through. Other times if your not getting much vapor you can kinda like tap on this hole while drawing to get it started. Practice a little bit and you'll get it. | Thanks, but I'm no noobie |
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08-02-2009, 09:53 AM
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#14 | | The Seditionist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL
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Originally Posted by flavorcountry I have 5 atty's and mainly use 3 of them. With certain flavors by a certain brand, it seems like the flavor burns of first, leaving me with a 'burnt' taste. I'm just guessing about the flavor burning off, but all the other areas are covered. I know it isn't becuase of primer , becuase I've used these heavily for weeks. Also, all three have been cleaned at least one. Two attys have been cleaned 3 times. So I'm fairly sure it's not the primer, but have had a primer experience, before.
At first, I suspected my method of cleanig. I saw a few people advise a vinegar soak, rinse, rinse, and dry. However, the taste didn't arrive until after a few cleanings.
Other juices(even three of the same brand as the problem juice), seem to vape cleaner. I'm also positive that I'm not dry vaping, becuase I've tasted that before. The fact that I still get plenty of vapor should be a sign that my atty isn't dry, also.
I wonder if it's an ingredient in the problem juices, or if the flavor just burns of first leaving nic and glycol. I also wonder if the presence of VG could be to blame? | I don't do the vinager and baking soda anymore. I cleaned 4 attys that way once and every one of them died. I just blow them out with compressed air. |
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08-02-2009, 11:25 AM
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#15 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| Susyn;
Here's the unpleasant experiences I've had with bad taste, some are fixable, some aren't. New Atomizer, goes away fairly quick, clean first, or just "vape on through". Least Favorite Flavor, sometimes a flavor just sucks, blend it or toss it, it ain't you. If you think the juice is safe, put it in the 'cooler' you can mix it later. PG or VG, Sometimes you feel like PG, sometimes you don't, segregate and test. Some flavors may MASK the PG taste while others don't. Seems like it's the flavor but it may be the PG base (or VG) you don't like. You can even try unflavored (no NIC, no flavor) PG and VG to see if you like one better. Takes several hits to see if the taste 'lingers around' in your mouth. I used a USP Grade Glycerin that didn't say natural or vegetable and could not stomach it. I bet it was DOW Chemical Synthetic Glycerin (OPTIM). Dry Vaping, overheating the heater may PERMANENTLY damage the atomizer. Wet it with juice and may taste OK for a few hits (Fool you). My e-cigars would vape the "burning plastic mop bucket, makes you want to puke taste" and never get better. Reverse puffed them for hours, PLENTY of vapor. Never would go away. Atomizer be dead. That taste might be fumes from parts inside the atomizer you really don't want to vape. Melted Fiber on the Bridge, a small piece of filler fiber can get stuck to the atomizer 'bridge' and cause a random 'yuk' taste. Magnifying glass and a bright light, inspect for contaminants. Worn out Filler, do an oil change on your cartridge, clean it or toss it. YOUR Technique, are you sure it ain't the way you are filling the carts? I don't have that problem cause I know everything  Try something different, but keep things wet. If the juice ain't flowing the atty will get dry.
Whenever you taste something unusual, question it. It just may not be something you don't like, it may be something YOU DON'T WANT TO VAPE. Some U.S. suppliers may give you a refund if you don't like a flavor. But don't continue to vape something that just might be harmful. Human senses haven't all evolved away. Sometimes your body just might be trying to tell you something. If it walks like a duck, it just might be a duck.
The Rocket
(a lot more than 2 cents for this one)
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08-02-2009, 12:02 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Vancouver, WA
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Originally Posted by Rocketman Dry Vaping, overheating the heater may PERMANENTLY damage the atomizer. Wet it with juice and may taste OK for a few hits (Fool you). My e-cigars would vape the "burning plastic mop bucket, makes you want to puke taste" and never get better. Reverse puffed them for hours, PLENTY of vapor. Never would go away. Atomizer be dead. That taste might be fumes from parts inside the atomizer you really don't want to vape. | I have seen a burnt atomizer like this. It still appeared to work just fine, producing clouds of vapor and everything ... it just tasted nasty. What happened was that it activated in my brothers pocket and he didn't notice. I don't know how long it was on, but by the time he got here, it was ruined.
What's a "Reverse Puff"?
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08-02-2009, 12:09 PM
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#17 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| The reverse puff:
THe e-cigar gets it's air intake from a small hole at the LED end and a little around the plastic lens (not sealed completely). Take the cartridge off and blow litely back through the cigar, from the goezenta end. The sensor will turn on, the atty heat up, and roiling billowing smoke and trapped juice will come out the goezoutta end.
Try that with an 801 and you can make movies.
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08-02-2009, 03:29 PM
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#18 | | The Seditionist Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Clearwater, FL
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| Thanks Dr.....BTW how is St. Louis? I haven't been there since 2002. I love that Forrest Park. I really enjoyed The Jewel Box. Art deco is a passion of mine. I took my dog on a paddle boat ride in the lake. It was a beautiful and fun day. |
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08-03-2009, 03:29 AM
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#19 | | Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: St. Louis
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St. Louis is bout the same as always. Lots of cool stuff to see and do. Economy is craptacular but hey thats everywhere. |
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06-27-2010, 02:25 PM
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#20 | | Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: NY
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| has anyone used denture cleaner to clean their attys?
just wondering if this would work if if i should try something else before cleaning |
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06-27-2010, 03:25 PM
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#21 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by kggonline has anyone used denture cleaner to clean their attys?
just wondering if this would work if if i should try something else before cleaning | Yes, it didn't seem to do better or add anything to my ultrasonic jewelry ( or denture) cleaner which I swear by.
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06-29-2010, 12:57 PM
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#22 | | 13 Ports HOO-WAH! Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Sonoran Desert
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| I've been playing around with 901 attys and one of them when all plastic mop bucket on me. Tried rinsing it out and cleaning it with water, didn't work. Tried some IPA, didn't work. Final solution was tossing it out. On my spare atty and I noticed something I didn't see before. When I separated the the cart from the atty I noticed the poly material sticking slightly to the bridge on the atty. I think that the material must have starting melting to the atty. No amount of cleaning is going to get the plastic out. Wish I still had that other atty now that I have an idea of what may have happened. Any thoughts on hitting the bridge of a 901 atty intermittently with a torch to try and burn off contaminants? |
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06-29-2010, 04:21 PM
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#23 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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Originally Posted by serialvapist . Any thoughts on hitting the bridge of a 901 atty intermittently with a torch to try and burn off contaminants? | About a year ago in frustration ( nicotine craving?) I took an old BicŪ lighter to the inside of a 510 atty once... held it upside down over a tall flame... no improvement to the atty, but burnt my fingers pretty good.
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06-29-2010, 05:33 PM
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#24 | | Home of Vaper Research Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Stehle About a year ago in frustration ( nicotine craving?) I took an old BicŪ lighter to the inside of a 510 atty once... held it upside down over a tall flame... no improvement to the atty, but burnt my fingers pretty good.  | LOL! Glad to see I'm not the only one that gets steamed when an atty goes belly up!
PS...no pun intended on the "steamed"...
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11-25-2010, 04:54 PM
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#25 | | Modder Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: rhode island usa
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| Edit. Chemicals are dangerous. I appoligise. And ill take every ones advice and stay away from chem x.....
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