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01-24-2012, 11:51 AM
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#1 | | Alright, Who Farted!!?? Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Florida
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| Anybody have any words for these batteries?
Rocket?
JJ?
I've been reading that they're quite good and I've located the manufacturer, but if there's someone in here that has performance charts that I can view before considering a wholesale purchase....that would be GREAT! | 
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01-24-2012, 02:21 PM
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| No hard facts, but anecdotal evidence would suggest they aren't all that good or consistent.
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01-24-2012, 04:01 PM
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#3 | | Alright, Who Farted!!?? Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames  No hard facts, but anecdotal evidence would suggest they aren't all that good or consistent. | I've spoken with (a certain LARGE vendor) that claims they're quite good and recommended them especially for use with an LT. And I've read only limited reviews from end-users.
But I was hoping that maybe you or Rocket had tried or tested the BDL IMR's....
Any idea who may have data on testing results? I'm not familiar with some of the forums you two frequent for this type of information, so maybe you could find something? (Or if I get some samples prior to a major order, you'd test their performance for me?)
Here's the specs: http://www.ecigwizard.com/shop/en/ba...n-battery.html
And this is just good reading for everyone else: http://vapcentral.blogspot.com/2010/08/battery-faq.html | |
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01-25-2012, 04:14 PM
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| Good test but poor conclusion. The BEST?
That depends. Obviously the initial loaded volts are high, out of the gate, but for how long? Some may also be interested in vapetimes.
My often posted old test. Maybe like using a ~1.8Ω atty. 
Look what happens at the ~600mAh mark, that 'BEST' cell (light green) is starting to lose/drop voltage much faster than 4 of the other tested cells. With the new AW 2000mAh IMRs maybe this will all change.
I have no interest in BDL, if folks want cheap, look here. http://www.bestinone.net/index.php?r...category_id=57
They actually may be BDL.
I just ordered a pair of these @ $7.80/each (the black trace). 
The red and green are two AW IMR1600. He did say that they are about 8 months old, but lightly used.
You are looking at a 3A drain test. Quite impressive. Looks like a real butt whooping to me on all levels. 
These technically are not IMR (LMR/LiMN) so safety may be a concern. But they do have a high quality PTC (Positive Temperature Coefficient device) and a CID (Current Interrupt device) under the cap.
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01-25-2012, 04:34 PM
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#6 | | Alright, Who Farted!!?? Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames Good test but poor conclusion. The BEST?
That depends. Obviously the initial loaded volts are high, out of the gate, but for how long? Some may also be interested in vapetimes.
My often posted old test. Maybe like using a ~1.8Ω atty.
Look what happens at the ~600mAh mark, that 'BEST' cell (light green) is starting to lose/drop voltage much faster than 4 of the other tested cells. With the new AW 2000mAh IMRs maybe this will all change.
I have no interest in BDL, if folks want cheap, look here. http://www.bestinone.net/index.php?r...category_id=57
They actually may be BDL.
I just ordered a pair of these @ $7.80/each (the black trace).
The red and green are two AW IMR1600. He did say that they are about 8 months old, but lightly used.
You are looking at a 3A drain test. Quite impressive. Looks like a real butt whooping to me on all levels.
These technically are not IMR (LMR/LiMN) so safety may be a concern. But they do have a high quality PTC (Positive Temperature Coefficient device) and a CID (Current Interrupt device) under the cap. | What is the black trace? (AW 2600?) for $7.80 each?
Wow, I was just now viewing that top graph!
Happened to stumble on Panasonic's new IMR: http://www.pohl-electronic.de/pdf/Pa...CGR18650CH.pdf
So maybe I'll take a wholesale shot with Panasonic while I'm at it....
Anyways, I'd send ya a free pair (or two) of the BDL's for testing JJ, if I decide to go that route?
Thanks for the links, I'll be investigating all options.
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01-25-2012, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by berger | Nice find Berg...
But I gotta agree with JJ.
Also, we're talking about using them on a boost mod, so I really need to know how they're going to perform at higher volts and over actual usage time. | |
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01-25-2012, 05:06 PM
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| Where does it say it's an IMR?
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01-25-2012, 05:09 PM
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#9 | | Alright, Who Farted!!?? Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames Where does it say it's an IMR? | Says chemistry is LiMn
Here's all of their current cylindrical's: http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-...+ACA4001+4++WW | |
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01-25-2012, 05:20 PM
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| well this link show the testing curves at 30 amps with the heat resistance layer option...damnnnnnnn http://www.industrial.panasonic.com/...ACI4000CE2.pdf
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01-25-2012, 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Shekinahsgroom | Once again where does it say that it's an IMR. Saying that they are striving for the same level of safety like the LiMn2O4 with their PSS driven Lithium-Ion battery does not mean it's an IMR.
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01-26-2012, 12:24 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyJames Once again where does it say that it's an IMR. Saying that they are striving for the same level of safety like the LiMn2O4 with their PSS driven Lithium-Ion battery does not mean it's an IMR. | I know how much you're gonna like this one, JJ!! 
LOL...don't say it, be nice. http://www.ebay.com/itm/18650-IMR-LI...item5ae4711484
"This is a direct quote from a Panasonic press release..... "Panasonic has introduced a new high rate lithium ion cell CGR18650CH. The cell’s Nickel Manganese-based cathode material delivers higher discharge rates and better energy density and voltage than comparative cells. CGR18650CH cells are suitable for multi-cell applications." So the answer is Yes these are real IMR batteries."
So I did a little investigating myself and found Panasonic's website.
Haven't done anything further yet, working on a wholesale contact next.
And I'm wondering if the new 2000 maH AW IMR's are the same type as these CGR18650CH's?
Maybe an OEM made cell just for AW?
Make sense, hmm?
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01-26-2012, 06:37 AM
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| No way Panasonic is making them just for AW..imagine the size and weight reduction in laptop cells and other devices....Heck Panasonic wont even make protected cells even though they know these are being used by these companies...too small a drop in the bucket for them I guess..
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01-26-2012, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by berger No way Panasonic is making them just for AW..imagine the size and weight reduction in laptop cells and other devices....Heck Panasonic wont even make protected cells even though they know these are being used by these companies...too small a drop in the bucket for them I guess.. | Hard to tell what AW's using considering there aren't any 2000 maH rated IMR cells in Panasonic's line up in this link: http://industrial.panasonic.com/www-...+ACA4001+4++WW
I've sent an inquiry to Panasonic for assistance, so hopefully I'll know more.
And not making protected cells? is probably because of their classification (industrial). And since every client probably has their own specifications and needs, they'll design their own packs according to their products?
Lots of guesses....cuz a battery expert I'M NOT! | |
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01-26-2012, 10:48 AM
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01-26-2012, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Shekinahsgroom
And not making protected cells? is probably because of their classification (industrial). And since every client probably has their own specifications and needs, they'll design their own packs according to their products?
| According to Panasonic they wont sell individual cells as they are supposed to be solely components for battery packs not to mention MOQ's are huge
I do see guys like jtsgallaxy?? selling the unprotected Panasonic cells at 2900 mah but they are like 14-15 bucks
yea I know not IMR
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Originally Posted by berger According to Panasonic they wont sell individual cells as they are supposed to be solely components for battery packs not to mention MOQ's are huge
I do see guys like jtsgallaxy?? selling the unprotected Panasonic cells at 2900 mah but they are like 14-15 bucks
yea I know not IMR | An MOQ of 500 won't be a problem in a coop if they're cheap enough.
Hell the coop interest is very near 1000 LT units right now! And everybody wants good batteries....sooo, it's worth a shot.
The only thing holding back a major buy is the ECF, but considering I'd be buying from a name and verifiable source like Panasonic, they just might remove my restrictions to make such a coop buy in. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from...All-Categories | |
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01-26-2012, 03:43 PM
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01-26-2012, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Shekinahsgroom | Dam...$11 per cell?
I thought the Tenergys were expensive!
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01-26-2012, 10:01 PM
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| I paid under 8 for mine and less then 4 for the unprotected ones (tenergys)
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01-27-2012, 04:25 AM
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#23 | | Alright, Who Farted!!?? Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Florida
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| Yeah, the Tenergy's perform very, very well for the price.
And if you can get them through deals from Marrs Inc., they're really an outstanding buy!
Requested a wholesale quote on the flat-tops they're phasing out, hoping I can get them for a couple bucks each...maybe less? | |
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01-27-2012, 06:26 AM
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| Yea..I did get a set from Marrs...but I didnt realize they were unprotected with the black bottoms until I got the package in and could see them up against the cyan ones. I actually ran through pricing on all the ones on the chart I could find and the tenergys did seem the best deal all things considered
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