Shekinahsgroom

Anybody have a link or the actual manufacturer's name for MNKE?

JohnnyJames

I'm through arguing with you, using a hybrid 'Nickel Manganese-based cathode material" does not make them IMR's. And do you really think the T-Shirt printer is some sort battery expert? LOL

You realize that the only Panasonic cells that AW uses are the 2900 and 3100 cells.

I've got a strange feeling Panasonic could give two s**ts about AW.

You realize that Panasonic cranks out 120 million li-Ion cells per month and about 15 million of those are made in China.

LOL, the Tenergys perform very well PERIOD, regardless of price.



@ berger

You can find the Panasonic 2900/3100 all day long for about ~$10. But why?

The other variable is what kind of Panasonics actually end up in the retail chain?

It's been said that the prime cells go to the big customers and what ends up on the open market are basically their rejects. We are also seeing a shift in the high end power tool market, where folks grabbed their first IMRs (Moli) outta Milwaukee power packs. The trend seems to towards these new high power hybrid cells over the IMRs. I've been trying to track down some HD Sanyos but it's tough, these new HD Panasonics probably owe a lot to Sanyo which was acquired in 2009 for among other things, their expertise.

Here's a nice 3A test. The fancy AW2900 Pansonics (the best ) vs a Sanyo 2600 (not the HD one).



If being used in a simple tube mod look when they both cross 3.3V. The fancy/best cell hasn't even made it to 1600 vaping mAh. When used in a stacked pair look at the 3V mark, you never want to discharge any lower and most regulated mods will kick off before that anyway. Again nothing special compared to the Sanyo.

You posted a link to burn-wick's test where he quickly dismissed the BDL IMR18650 (low initial loaded volts) and finally declared the AWIMR 'the best'. But he seems to have missed the big picture. Somehow judging cells solely on the volts from the first activation is rather short sighted, to say the least.

Take a peek at this test. AWIMR vs Bestinone.



Initial volts low like the BDL but look what happens at about 450mAh mark. On the back end it's losing ground. There is something to be said about the rather flat red trace. Looks like it will produce a rather nice, consistent vape per charge. Kinda cool.

These are the tested cells.

http://www.bestinone.net/index.php?r...&product_id=52

Not too shabby for $4.50.

Shekinahsgroom

I opened the thread asking Rocket and YOU, JJ....cuz I value both of your opinions.

I have no beef with you and no I don't consider Callie's as an expert...that was joke, JJ.

Think I made that pretty obvious, didn't I?

Sooooo are ya gonna tell us which one's you bought for $7.80 each and where ya got them?

Cuz ya know me and Berg are dying to know?

Shekinahsgroom

I read a thread (think it may have been the big forum) where someone was complaining about buying the MNKE but getting these unmarked one's, just like this photograph:

http://www.bestinone.net/index.php?r...&product_id=52

Then I read somewhere else (don't remember where, maybe CPF) where somebody else said they contacted MNKE directly and were told that MNKE doesn't make an 18650 IMR.

Now if it's not clear already, I don't know JACK about batteries!

But that's why I'm asking someone who CLEARLY does....right JJ?

What's your take on the MNKE's?

Rocketman

You children better quit arguing over batteries

If you want a great cell, how about these?

38120 11000mah, 3.2 volt, LiFePO4. A pair of these would make a nice VV mod.

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Shekinahsgroom

Why am I not surprised that you have these monsters?

Okay, so here comes the obvious question.....

Whatchya buildin' Rock?

Shekinahsgroom

This looks like a pretty decent deal, $4/ea:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Pak-Sony-U...item564843f4f5

Or $3.20/ea:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/24-Pak-Sony-...item564843f4e4

And I just visited the HobbyKing blog where someone stated that an HP F1466A battery pack has 9 of these same Sony batteries in them:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-6Ah-Batter...item35b663fd75

Hmmmmm.....

Steampunk

That's what I use. I paid $7 each for the first four, and then $6 each for the second pair. That was two years ago I got the first ones, one went dead earlier this year, one is getting "weak" and the other two are working just fine. I still haven't opened the second pair yet!

Steampunk

Unfortunately, I don't consider buying batteries on eBay because I have seen too many people told they were buying protected cells and then wind up with unprotected ones. I only buy from the larger battery houses when I KNOW they know what the hell they are talking about.

Until the state of the art in batteries gets to where you can buy a decent 3.7V battery that doesn't need protection, I'm leaving nothing to chance.

Shekinahsgroom

They're heavily discounting them because they're phasing them out.

Partially why I asked for a wholesale quote....get those for a couple bucks each may be worth a coop buy-in?

But now JJ's given me the generic IMR bug, so I'm diligently trying to find out who makes those orange IMR's.

But all of China is in celebration till Feb 6th for New Years, so I'm gonna be waiting awhile before I start getting answers.

Ikenvape has, what appears to be, the exact same orange 1500 maH IMR on their website and it's labelled as a BDL brand:

http://ikenvape.com/search.php?search_query=imr&x=0&y=0

Shekinahsgroom

Oh there's no doubt in my mind that they're unprotected cells cuz they're made for laptop battery packs.

But if you're a handy modder like Rocket or Tek, it looks like a cheap alternative for a good battery.

Whoops...nothing personal Steam. (facepalm)

Steampunk

That's too bad because they really are good batteries. I put them through heavy use and get excellent results from them. Have to take a look the the IMRs.Let me know if you find a good seller.

Shekinahsgroom

I already did, I found the manufacturer (BDL) and confirmed the source through a major UK vendor!!

But what I don't know is if those orange cells are BDL's, even though Ikenvape labels them as such.

And won't know for another 2 weeks or so when BDL and a slew of other supplier's that carry BDL's reply.

BDL is a shortened version of the company name, but it wasn't easy finding the actual company that makes the BDL brand!!

Cuz you're not gonna find it in a Google search for "BDL".

I had to locate it through reading and found it by accident, then verified the contact information with a UK CEO.

Rocketman

Just kidding with you guys. I haven't been keeping up with the new 18650 Li-ion or IMR on the market. I have a big enough supply of the 'cheap' cells, I just don't need any more so I don't watch what is happening in the battery market.

As far as the 38120 LiFePO4 cells, I got 6 to make an 18 volt pack for my Ryobi tools. I don't have power out at the old house I am working on and go through my 5 batteries every day, then charge them up each night. Some are 1.4 AH, and some are 2.6 AH.

Even though this 'corded pack' isn't as convenient as the factory Li-ion packs I hope it will last longer. I gave up on the factory NiCad packs long ago.

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Steampunk

I thought I was bad...

Shekinahsgroom

GAWD that's really cool Rock!

So you just charge the monster pack through the Ryobi pack charger?

Rocketman

No, The Ryobi charger might do it, but I use my hobby charger.

Last thing I need to do is kill the Ryobi charger

The large Ryobi pack ($90) has 10 18650 cells and the small one ($40) has 5.
THis pack cost about $130 with terminals, wire, and a case I had.
I almost went with 3 6volt SLA batteries but the loaded AH drops like crazy.
3 12AH SLA 6 volt cells are about 7AH@10A load.

I take the pack with me tomorrow. We'll see how it does.

Shekinahsgroom

So are you flipping this house you're working on...??

Rocketman

It's for a handicapped friend to live in. Maybe someday a rental.

Flipping? No, it just seems like I'm turning it inside out

Shekinahsgroom

Wow, Rock....that must be some friend?

And visa-versa!!

Rocketman

Continuing on with my earlier Hi-Jack of this thread,

I 'unconsciously' left my bag of Ryobi factory batteries at home. All I had today was the home made LiFePO4 pack

Ran my angle grinder for long enough to take out at least 2 of the factory batteries, and the circular saw for just a few cuts. These two seem to drain the battery the fastest. It was quite obvious this pack has more 'oomph'. Made it a short day so I don't really know just how much more capacity it has compared to my stack of factory batteries but so far I am impressed. Now that I know it works so well I'll wire in one of the 6S meters so I can monitor voltage.

I might even buy a better name brand saw and a cheap 'compatible' battery pack to modify. The 12 foot 10 ga. cord is still pretty convenient when you don't have AC power.

Shekinahsgroom

Your idea would make one hell of a construction or maintenance worker's upgrade for instances in power outages, rather than having to carry a slew of expensive battery packs.

Does that carrying case have a handle on it?

Rocketman

No. It's one of those vacuum formed cases with a snap latch (got some sample AtoD converter boards in it). For now it's a 'slide around behind you case' A pistol case would work for cheap.

The angle grinder usually warms up the factory Li-ion pack. Didn't even take the 'chill' off this pack.
The Ryobi saw really doesn't have enough power for me and the motor doesn't have replaceable brushes or bearings.
I'm thinking of getting either a Makita BSS611 saw or the Dewalt DC390 and was looking for cheap used batteries for either when I found a guy from Texas that is selling something similar on ebay. A dummy battery with a connector for a 5AH belt pack. So it's not really my idea. If I can find a dead $5 battery or two, that will tip the balance for which brand saw I buy. I am tired of buying proprietary factory batteries.


Here's the youtube vid of the originator (I think) of the back pack tool battery.
Can you imagine a back pack e-cig battery?
(mine is cheaper and has more Amp Hours )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZyD15n5eSA

Shekinahsgroom

These generic (not BDL) 18650 IMR cells are $2.16/ea from the manufacturer, whom own the powerwholesale.net site.

The Bestinone.net site is a distributor of their products.

http://www.bestinone.net/index.php?r...&product_id=52

They also make the infamous 4.8V NiMH 600 mah stacked cells, for $2.85/ea

Along with the 5.6V NiMH/NiCD 500 mah dual channel charger, for $5.86/ea

Shekinahsgroom

And let's hope that this is TRUE!!

http://budgetlightforum.com/node/2581#comment-60662

http://i1117.photobucket.com/albums/...0/18650s3a.gif

ON WITH THE ARGUMENT!!