02-28-2009, 02:04 AM
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#1 | | Administrator and Owner Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Philadelphia
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| The Associated Press has put together an article about e-cigarettes and it's growing popularity in China and the US. The article focuses on the saftey issue again, drilling the point home that these products are untested and that the US FDA has been cracking down. This article does however reference doctors and other industry folk who are favorable towards e-smoking, though briefly. You can check out the article via Yahoo here: Chinese e-cigs gain ground amid safety concerns.
Make sure to stop by the forums and discuss this topic with fellow e-smokers here: AP story on e-cigarettes Discussion. | 
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02-28-2009, 02:12 AM
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#2 | | Administrator and Owner Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Philadelphia
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| Via Yahoo: Chinese e-cigs gain ground amid safety concerns Quote:
BEIJING – With its slim white body and glowing amber tip, it can easily pass as a regular cigarette. It even emits what look like curlicues of white smoke.
The Ruyan V8, which produces a nicotine-infused mist absorbed directly into the lungs, is just one of a rapidly growing array of electronic cigarettes attracting attention in China, the U.S. and elsewhere — and the scrutiny of world health officials.
Marketed as a healthier alternative to smoking and a potential way to kick the habit, the smokeless smokes have been distributed in swag bags at the British film awards and hawked at an international trade show.
Because no burning is involved, makers say there's no hazardous cocktail of cancer-causing chemicals and gases like those produced by a regular cigarette. There's no secondhand smoke, so they can be used in places where cigarettes are banned, the makers say.
Health authorities are questioning those claims.
The World Health Organization issued a statement in September warning there was no evidence to back up contentions that e-cigarettes are a safe substitute for smoking or a way to help smokers quit.
It also said companies should stop marketing them that way, especially since the product may undermine smoking prevention efforts because they look like the real thing and may lure nonsmokers, including children.
"There is not sufficient evidence that (they) are safe products for human consumption," Timothy O'Leary, a communications officer at the WHO's Tobacco Free Initiative in Geneva, said this week.
The laundry list of WHO's concerns includes the lack of conclusive studies and information about e-cigarette contents and their long-term health effects, he said.
Unlike other nicotine-replacement therapies such as patches for slow delivery through the skin and some inhalers and nasal sprays, e-cigarettes have not gone through rigorous testing, O'Leary said.
Nicotine is highly addictive and causes the release of the "feel good" chemical dopamine when it goes to the brain. It also increases heart rate and blood pressure and restricts blood to the heart muscle.
Ruyan — which means "like smoking" — introduced the world's first electronic cigarette in 2004. It has patented its ultrasonic atomizing technology, in which nicotine is dissolved in a cartridge containing propylene glycol, the liquid that is vaporized in smoke machines in nightclubs or theaters and is commonly used as a solvent in food.
When a person takes a drag on the battery-powered cigarette, the solution is pumped through the atomizer and comes out as an ultrafine spray that resembles smoke.
Hong Kong-based Ruyan contends the technology has been illegally copied by Chinese and foreign companies and is embroiled in several lawsuits. It's also battling questions about the safety of its products.
Most sales take place over the Internet, where hundreds of retailers tout their products. Their easy availability, O'Leary warns, "has elevated this to a pressing issue given its unknown safety and efficacy."
Prices range from about $60 to $240. Kits include battery chargers and cartridges that range in flavors (from fruit to menthol) and nicotine levels (from zero — basically a flavored mist — to 16 milligrams, higher than a regular cigarette.) The National Institutes of Health says regular cigarettes contain about 10 milligrams of nicotine.
On its Web site, Gamucci, a London-based manufacturer, features a woman provocatively displaying one of its e-cigs. "They look like, feel like and taste like traditional tobacco, yet they aren't," the blurb reads. "They are a truly healthier and satisfying alternative. Join the revolution today!"
Smoking Everywhere, a Florida-based company, proclaims it "a much better way to smoke!" while a clip on YouTube features an employee of the NJoy brand promoting its e-cigarettes at CES, the international consumer technology trade show.
Online sales make it even more difficult to regulate the industry, which still falls in a gray area in many countries.
In the U.S., the Food and Drug Administration has "detained and refused" several brands of electronic cigarettes because they were considered unapproved new drugs and could not be legally marketed in the country, said press officer Christopher Kelly.
He did not give more details, but said the determination of whether an e-cig is a drug is made on a case-by-case basis after the agency considers its intended use, labeling and advertising.
In Australia, the sale of electronic cigarettes containing nicotine is banned. In Britain, the products appear to be unregulated and are sold in pubs.
Smoking is tightly woven into the fabric of daily life in Ruyan's home turf of China, the world's largest tobacco market where about 2 trillion cigarettes are sold every year.
Tobacco sales, the biggest source of government revenue, brought in $61 billion in the first 11 months of last year, up 18 percent from 2007, the Communist Party's People's Daily newspaper said.
In a country where the cheapest brands of cigarettes cost about 20 cents a pack, the e-cig is far pricier. Ruyan's V8 costs $240 and includes batteries and 20 cartridges of nicotine solution, roughly the same number of puffs as 20 packs of tobacco cigarettes. The line has expanded to include cigars and pipes crafted from agate and rosewood.
Ruyan is suing a Beijing newspaper for questioning its safety and for claiming in 2006 that its products have more nicotine than regular cigarettes.
Miu Nam, Ruyan's executive director, blames the newspaper for a hit in sales and profits but declined to give details.
"We have to restore consumers' confidence, we have to clean up people's doubts," Miu said.
An operator at the Beijing Times refused to transfer calls seeking comment Friday to managers at the newspaper. A reporter said she had heard of the case but would not give any details.
Some international experts back Ruyan's claims its product is safe.
David Sweanor, an adjunct law professor at Ottawa University and former legal counsel of the Non Smokers Rights Association in Canada, said e-cigs have the potential to save lives.
With smoking, "it's the delivery system that's killing people," Sweanor said. "Anytime you suck smoke into your lungs you're going to do yourself a great deal of damage. Nicotine has some slight risks but they are minor compared to the risk of smoke in cigarettes."
Dr. Murray Laugesen, a New Zealand physician involved in tobacco control for 25 years who was commissioned by Ruyan to test its e-cigs, said he found "very little wrong" with them.
"It looks more like a cigarette and feels more like a cigarette than any other device so far and yet it does not cause the harm," he said. "It's the best substitute so far invented for tobacco cigarettes."
In the U.S, both Philip Morris USA and RJ Reynolds have introduced cigarettes that did not burn tobacco, but the technologies were very different from the e-cigarette. Neither has been successful.
In 2006, Philip Morris USA, test-marketed the Accord, which used a heating unit activated by puffing. RJ Reynolds introduced its cigarette, the Premier, in 1987 and still sells the Eclipse, which heats the tobacco rather than burning it. Sales are "not great," said spokesman David Howard.
Li Honglei, a fast-talking 28-year-old public relations manager in Beijing, has been smoking since he was in his teens and desperately wants to quit. He thinks he may have found his answer in Ruyan.
"I was intrigued by this new technology," said the pudgy, bespectacled Li as he surveyed products displayed in glass cases at Ruyan's brightly-lit shop in the capital. "I heard acupuncture is effective as well, but this method sounds more painless."
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Associated Press writers Chi-Chi Zhang in Beijing, Vinnee Tong and Carley Petesch in New York and AP researcher Yu Bing in Beijing contributed to this report.
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09-25-2010, 04:00 AM
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#3 | | ☆ The So-Cal Vaper ☆ Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southern california
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| get off the forum Kelly!!!! | |
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09-25-2010, 09:46 AM
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#4 | | Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Florida
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| Kelly joined and has spammed 58 threads so far....I am sure the mods will remove them very soon. THese sellers joining and spamming do not realize no one will buy from them when they do this. | |
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10-29-2010, 08:50 AM
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#5 | | Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: china
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| many news and information showed that the electronic cigarette becomes more and more popular, especially in china and us. we hope for its advantages. | |
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10-29-2010, 08:55 AM
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#6 | | Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: china
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| some say that it is good for people, some say it is not clear, but most of the people think it is good for helping us quit smoking. in my opinion, at least it is better than the traditional tobacco. | |
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10-29-2010, 09:25 AM
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#7 | | Happy Vaper! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Cameron, NC
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Originally Posted by kenny001  some say that it is good for people, some say it is not clear, but most of the people think it is good for helping us quit smoking. in my opinion, at least it is better than the traditional tobacco. | That is what is puzzling. People who steer clear because it *MIGHT* not be safe, but if you compare them with traditional tobacco-burning cigarettes, I really don't think you need an extra eye see the advantages of the electronic counterpart.
I think that the FDA is acting in the interest of Big tobacco... They won't bite the hand that feeds them. But what I fail to see is that if the FDA is all fired and anxious to protect the health of Americans, then why do they allow the sale of tobacco cigarettes? Someone here PLEASE tell me what health benefit Americans get from cigarettes?
I have been a pack-a-day smoker for 25 years. Truth be told, I LIKE to smoke. I smoked for years with the knowledge that each and every cigarette takes 7 minutes off of my life. I have watched family members and friends die as a direct result of smoking cigarettes. Still, that didn't seem to faze me enough to stop using them.
Then, I made the mistake of smoking cigarettes after I had successfully put them down with the aid of my e-cig (Largely because the vapor was just plain inconsistent and it became a pain to carry 10 batteries around.) But today, I am using a big battery with the 510XL C-E2 cartomizers and it seems to have fixed all of that.
NOW, I am trying to dump the cigarettes again and it is much more difficult for me than it was the first go around. I have mustered up new "excuses" to smoke since then. I tell myself that when I run a fire call, it is not practical to take my e-cig. Recently, I have been able to make a pack last a week or so and it has been 3 days since I have "Lit Up".
So, at the end of the day, I have to wonder what it is that is in cigarettes (Other than Nicotine) that keeps me coming back for more. I know that almost all cigarettes also contain sugar, which is much more addictive than even Heroin.
Which brings me back around to my original point; Why would the FDA allow Big Tobacco to not only manufacture and sell these harmful products, but additionally, to turn a blind eye to the fact that they are lacing their products with other ingredients for the sole purpose of increasing the addiction, while denying that the electronic alternative is safer to use. Granted, Americans operate their daily lives on the eighth grade level, but even a 6th grader can see the difference.
So, at the end of the day, e-cigs are going to increase in popularity to the point that almost everyone either knows about them or has some knowledge of them. Then Big Tobacco is going to swoop in with their big advertising dollars and market their own brand of e-cigs while selling them in every corner store.
They are basically allowing the current network of sellers to do their bidding for them so they can come onto the scene like gangbusters and suck up all of our customers.
We all have our loyal customers, but what is going to happen when those customers can go down the street and buy their batteries and carts locally and without any shipping costs.
I know this is on the way because a rep that I buy from has told me that RJ Reynolds has placed an order totaling in the millions of dollars with their company. (and that was 6 months ago)
that is also why BT is chasing down vendors selling liquid with similar names to their brand names. Marlboro, Winston, Newport... All brand names that WILL be available as an e-liquid sold by the tobacco company in the future.
Just sayin'.
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10-29-2010, 05:45 PM
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#8 | | spam again bacon ass Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Not China
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Originally Posted by moogvo I know this is on the way because a rep that I buy from has told me that RJ Reynolds has placed an order totaling in the millions of dollars with their company. (and that was 6 months ago) | Ahhhhh this is where all the Rev 2 CE cartos went to. 
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11-03-2010, 02:59 AM
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#9 | | Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: China
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| I agree with you, Tom.
We are factory for ecig, and I have viewed your website and left message to you.
Could you please contact me to talk more about the ecig business?
Achilles Fong
Shenzhen Accipiter Gentilis Technology Co., Ltd 深圳市艾克派特科技开发有限公司
MSN: fangjy0913@hotmail.com
Skype: achillesfong
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11-03-2010, 04:11 AM
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#10 | | Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: US
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| Hi, i have used e cig from last 1 year and i dont have any issue, so dont belive just on people opinions just believe on facts. | |
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11-03-2010, 04:40 AM
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#11 | | Vapeatron Grammar Hammer Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Holding up a lamp post.
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Originally Posted by achillesfong I agree with you, Tom.
We are factory for ecig, and I have viewed your website and left message to you.
Could you please contact me to talk more about the ecig business?
Achilles Fong
Shenzhen Accipiter Gentilis Technology Co., Ltd 深圳市艾克派特科技开发有限公司
MSN: fangjy0913@hotmail.com
Skype: achillesfong
Yahoo: ecigdirect
icq:615506753
Tel: 86-755-27325926-606
Fax: 86-755-23495512 | You go now!
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