Rocketman

Me too.

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Bet 20 watts has a bigger chance of getting hot than say 8 watts.

mrwizard

Without having the time to fully investigate it, I have to say that the science sounds very promising, and when perfected could very well take the place of inhalers as an effective NRT device.

From what little I've read, they're still unsure about the full health risks that might be involved... but the same could be said for ecigs in general... as well as all the other NRT products containing TSNAs.

My only concerns about experimenting with this on your own is in regulating the amount of nicotine absorbed.
How many mg of pyruvic acid is vaporized at what temp?
How many mg of nicotine pyruvate is created by the reaction of that amount of pyruvic acid vapor through what mg/ml concentration of nicotine solution?
(Using a high concentration solution has it's own risks for nicotine overdose through leakage/lips/mouth lining.)
How much of the nicotine pyruvate escapes the filler material as particles?
What is the maximum amount that is going to have the potential to be absorbed at one time?

Another consideration is working with pure pyruvic acid itself.
While it is a naturally occurring chemical that has benefits to the body, once you take a chem out of it's natural state and concentration it can become dangerous.
Pure pyruvic acid is listed as a hazmat chemical that can cause severe burns and eye damage, and I've read that some form of pyruvic acid is used for facial peels.
Exactly how strong an acid and what the full risks are from working with it I can't say.
Unfortunately I don't have the kind of free time to research exciting new things that I once had anymore.

All in all it sounds really interesting for NRT advancement, but since I'm quite happy with vaping, playing with new flavors, and don't have any cravings for the ciggys anymore, when this does come to market ~2015 I won't be on the waiting list for it.

Of course, I'd be interested to see how you come along in your experiments if you feel you must.
I'd just advise taking it slow, do all your homework first, get all the answers to your/my questions, and use good safety precautions before jumping right in.

nopatch

Hi Mr Wizard,

This process looks promising(For me ) in that the carriers(Pg and Vg) can be avoided.i will try to answer your queries from the research i did.

There is no bulk evaporation as in ecigs.The Pyruvic laden filler has to be warmed to about 40deg c to increase it's vapor pressure.When air is blown across it the concentration could reach about 2%(In air).The idea is to make it pass through another filler laden with nicotine(Diluted).1mg of nicotine reacts with about 1mg of acid.

Since each puff is about 35ml(Mg) air the acid intake will be about 0.7mg and max nicotine carryover will be 0.7mg.

Since the nicotine will be absorbed in to the filler the risk is minimal during inhalation.Loading it in to the filler is another matter altogether with it's attendant risks.

I see two problems at this point.Ensuring that most of acid gets reacted before it is inhaled and safe heating mechanism.Initially i thought manual battery of ecig can be used in a single microsecond on off pulse to warm the filler(With acid) wound around the coil.If the battery stays on we have a problem.Also the regular heating coil probably cannot withstand 100% carboxylic acid.The ensure near 100 % reactivity so that no acid is inhaled it has to be passed over a slightly lengthy nicotine filler.Also the nicotine filler(Packing) design has to be uniform.At this point i am stuck up with ensuring a safe heating mechanism which has very low current/wattage(About 1/5 th of the smallest ecig).