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Hey all!

Looking for someone who has 555 48mg in stock. Also looking for any other hearty tobacco flavors in 48mg in stock and ready to ship.

I'm ready to buy...


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Lazarus

This site has it on occasion: Welcome to MY FREEDOM SMOKES

48mg is stronger than I want to vape, I use 36mg from time to time on the weekends in the morning, if you know what I mean.

If you can handle it, they sell it, just be careful.

Stehle

My thoughts exactly! Chris is a great guy to deal with.

Rocketman

I wonder if the Juice Cop has checked them out?
250ml of 48mg/ml unflavored, probably PG based, should keep pretty good at zero F. The stuff is antifreeze after all
As long as it doesn't have coolant in it (again )
The Rocket

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Thanks!

I'm already hip to Chris. He is fantastic to do biz with for sure. As far as I know he is the only one so I was just looking for an alternative source as a second stringer.

Juice cop? Are you referring to the many NetNannies who want to protect me from myself? No shortage of 'em but alas, I'm a big boy now. Wear long pants and everything...

I've vaped 48 straight many times with no ill effects as I have this thing called "tolerance". I smoked Drum rollies for decades so don't y'all worry yourselves needlessly ;-) Straight 48 doesn't come close to the nic obtained by smoking 5-8 fat filterless Drum rollies with a cup of coffee. Not even close! To be honest, if I could get my hands on 72mg I'd fire it up straight now and then too. I do, for what it is worth, plan on weaning my nic slooooooooooooowly, ever so slowly, down to zero. it took me 31 years to build my tolerance up so I'm planning on taking a year or thereabouts to ween myself down.

I prefer the easiest softest route possible. Discomfort makes me uncomfortable.

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Rocketman

Naw, we have our own Juice Cop here. Glad you can handle the 72, I sure couldn't. 20mg/ml with no DEG would be my choice. I went to the site and the 48 looks like a great deal. I just wonder where it comes from and what goes into it. Sounds like others here have dealt with Chris and like the service.

The Rocket

renderwerks

Rick here - (The Juice Cop)

It's a dubious distinction, I know. But a little 'splanin' should calm the masses...

I'm a Senior Designer (read: peon) working in the field of cryogenic engineering. My specialty is mechanical, but because of the field, chemical engineering is a big part of the game. My boss is a brilliant scientist with a PHD in Chemical Engineering. He is a great source of reliable info to me when it comes to the chemistry of the liquid we all use. His boss has dual Masters Degrees in cryogenic distillation and organic chemistry. We have more degrees around here than a thermometer.

Because of what I do, I tend to be more sentient of liquid composition than most. I ask questions, want to see technical data, charts, gas chromatography results, etc (damn anal engineering types). I'm fortunate that I am surrounded by many intelligent, educated people. They're quite humbling, but a great source of reliable information.

So, I was labeled the Juice Cop - I made an avatar just for the occasion. I won't buy liquid unless I have some assurance that it's safe. I just post the results or ask the vendor to post here as a means to share information.

I've shot an emial off to Chris at myfreedomsmoke.com asking about source, testing, etc... We'll see what comes of it.

Rick

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Aw heck Rick doesn't sound so bad ya'll!

I'm in a technical field as well and I'm forever studying, well, virtually everything I can. I wouldn't call Rick a juice cop- I'm thinking perhaps "juice purist" might be more accurate.

I'm a bit of an amateur herbalist and I am the same way Rick- I don't want a list of indrediants that includes "And other herbs"; I want a breakdown in detail of what I'm putting in my body. Yeah, I know, kinda funny considering I inhaled the smoke of burning vegetable matter for 31 years with nary a question as to the ingredients...

I feel that by vaping, even juice made in China is, to me, the lesser of two evils and I'm willing, at least for now, to take my chances. I would love to see an accurate ingrediant list on every bottle so in that regard, Rick, I'm right there with you.

I'm more ticked at the nannies who feel they must protect me from myself. Sheesh! They've made it hard for a guy like me, with a very high tolerance, to obtain juice that will help me stay away from analogs by satisfying my nic jones. Ironically, it seems that those that whine the loudest about the "dangers" of 36 mg and God-forbid (Gasp!) 48mg juice are vaping zero-nic juice. I'm sure they got beat-up a lot in gradeschool and now enjoy their ability to be a buzzkill in many areas of their lives.

I have a close relative who is a Chemical Engineer and we'll be talking about e-juice in depth the next time we get together. I'm thinking he just might brew me up some world-class juice in a world-class lab so that I might blow some world-class clouds that are just chock-full of world-class nicotine...

Love the avatar, btw!

Take care,

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Lazarus

I supplement my vaping the same way used to supplement my smoking by enjoying 1 - 2 fine cigars a week (Ashton Dominicans Coronas). These are not the best cigars around by any means, but a simple pleasure I will not give up.

This way I can vape 18 & 24mg without jonesing for something stronger during the week.

renderwerks

Thanks G-

Besides, a juice purist avatar probably wouldn't be as much fun...

Rick

ps: no word from Chris yet -

Rocketman

Tried to get shipping cost at MyFreedomSmokes.
Website shopping cart seems to be broken. Only option is Google checkout which doesn't seem to be an option. No one to answer phone during business hours today. I didn't leave a message. Anyone else had the same shopping cart issue?
Rocket

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No worries- Chris is under a pile of rocks as of late. Spoke to him briefly the other day in fact... Got dumped by paypal, website builder is out of town for a couple more days, and he's busting butt to keep it together. Last I heard he was crossing his fingers and hoping to have a merchant account up and running and the site back in full working order next week.

He is being assisted by "mamacat" on the other e-cig forum in the My Freedome Smokes sub-forum. I'm sure she can give you very accutarate info as to what exactly is going on.

On a side note I DO hope more vendors will get involved over here on Vapeatron as I find myself here more and more and at the other forum less and less. Much better vibe over here :-)

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renderwerks

Yea, this PayPal thing is pissin' me off. I think vendors should preemptively find another merchant account servicer and tell PayPal to FRACK OFF! I know I'm going to avoid them like the plague now.

OK, I feel better now...

Rocketman

Is Paypal overreacting?
There are several legal issues that need to be addressed before we can expect free and open trade to be afforded to the e-cig industry. Honest trade practices and truth in advertising by vendors need to be the norm in this industry if we are to expect support. Responsible actions by us the end user is another.

Rick, you have taken a stand for e-juice safety. That is a real issue, even if some don't think so. I would not be surprised if international sales of uncertified juice quickly became a thing of the past. Many of us are trying to plan for the inevitable by stocking up freezers all over the state of Florida or trying to buy the strongest juice possible. While some of us may be responsible enough to safely guard large quantities of these poisons and prevent them from being misused either accidentally or intentionally, would you trust the 'average joe' with a few kilograms of pure nicotine? Mixing up e-juice in your apartment building? Selling it out of his trunk?
Blending 'special ingredients' into the 'juice'.

Several in this forum have reported scams to take their money. Unscrupulous vendors lying, cheating, stealing. Online auction sites like Ebay, where the "ripoff artists" continually refine their theft techniques, have a bigger financial impact than the e-cig market. No matter how hard they try Ebay or Paypal can't weed them all out. There is just too much money involved to expect everyone to be honest. I think one thing Paypal is concerned about is the quantity of financial transactions that are contested, the trade practices utilized, as well as the legal issue of what is being bought and sold. If some vendors wouldn't try to rip us off then services like Western Union could be trusted. But when you send a payment that can't be recalled then the roaches tend come out of the woodwork. Hopefully this won't evolve into a 'cash only' Saturday night market.

The FDA and the media come across as the enemy. We like posting links to the ignorance displayed by the media. But what if instead of misrepresenting the facts like they do, they told the truth. Many of us now don't see a pressing need to quit nicotine. We will vape stronger and stronger juice until it becomes dangerous (and yes I believe there is an upper safe limit). That kids followed adults into analog cigarettes because it made them look grown up, and that was cool, and still is. That the e-cig industry is one of the most dishonest (second only to used car salesmen) to both the consumer and to the aspiring entrepreneur. That there are people out there trying to make the quick million, with royalties being deposited into their swollen bank accounts every week . 7 level pyramid schemes, pleeeeease.
What if they reported the truth?

This industry is floundering, awash with dishonesty, devoid of good judgment. Now why in the world wouldn't Paypal want their fair share of the plunder?
EOS
(end of sermon)

The Rocket

Stehle

Might we have a BSG quote here?

(A fellow BSG fracker here.)

renderwerks

Yep! One of the best fracking shows ever. It was very well done, excellent animation, and some great talent. Sorry to have seen it go. But, we have the DVD's!

renderwerks

There are many points on which I agree with you Rocket. Still pisses me off to see the "good" vendors being plucked off. PayPal was just so easy to use. The down time being caused by having to shuffle to a new merchant account servicer is hurting the little guy and burning precious time for us to be able to try and "save for a rainy day".

I know that dishonesty is running rampant here in cyberspace, and the fact (in our interest) that it seems to be coming to a head is driving it up. I think we need to up our alert level with vendors. The woodwork is excreting more of those on the dark side and probably tugging some in that direction. Grab while they can.

As for the post... Sometimes, just beating your fists on the wall for a few seconds feels pretty good...

Rick

Stehle

Indeed! ... and Caprica.

Rocketman

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renderwerks

Thanks Rocket... Now I won't get anything done today.

Must....Stay....On....Task... Oh frack it! I'm going wallpaper hunting!


Oh yea! I almost forgot about Caprica.

Rick

smokin joe

hey render is there a thread or somewhere that tells me which juices have met your expectations

pm me

damunster

Just checking

Rocketman

It looks like Chris at My Freedom Smokes has a merchant account provider now and juice in stock. Has there been any update on the traceability of his juice? Is the 48 straight from some really major supplier in China, small secret supplier in China, a U.S. lab, or garage?
Don't mean to sound critical but a response would be in order since the question was asked.

The Rocket,
to use someone else's comment, my credit card is "cocked and locked".

The Rocket

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Just ordered! He's still out of some of my favorite flavors so I grabbed a few 24mg Double-flavors. I'm already stocked up on unflavored 48mg so a 50-50 mix of unflavored 48/double 24 will yield normal flavor 36.

The shopping cart worked fine- produced a recipt, etc. No confirmation email yet- don't know if his new cart sens a confirmation...

As far as origin? Not a clue. Maybe I don't wanna know! He DOES have good juice as far as I'm concerned- greast flavor, great hit, doesn't gunk up atty's, etc. I wonder if Rick got any response yet?

Where's a cop when you need one? ;-)

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Rocketman

Thought I saw him at the Donut Shop on the way in this morning.
He's really taking this assignment to heart.
Rocket