510 Battery LEDs

Dhileas · 09-19-2009, 10:21 PM

Hey folks,

I'm currently using the Volcano from Volcano Fine Electronic Cigarette...home of the best eCig and while I like it, I'm planning on purchasing the Joye 510. I saw that Home - electronicstix.com has a black kit with green LED batteries and I'm really interested in that kit because of the green LED batteries. I'm cool with having the manual batteries, but I'm also wanting to purchase some automatic batteries for when I'm driving or playing games. Some times the hands are busy pushing other buttons

. The problem is, I cannot find automatic 510 batteries with green LEDs.

In summation, I was curious if anyone knew if the tip could be safely removed and the LED swapped, or if there were any sites that sold automatic 510 batteries with green LEDS.

Rocketman · 09-19-2009, 10:27 PM

the plastic tip will come off all by itself if you drop the 510 on the sidewalk a few times. The LED is on a little circuit board with a couple of wires going back up in the battery. The little circuit board just sort of floats in the end.
If you have worked with surface mount component soldering (micro-min) then swapping out the LED for another work only take an hour or so.
Rocket

Generic · 09-20-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocketman

the plastic tip will come off all by itself if you drop the 510 on the sidewalk a few times. The LED is on a little circuit board with a couple of wires going back up in the battery. The little circuit board just sort of floats in the end.
If you have worked with surface mount component soldering (micro-min) then swapping out the LED for another work only take an hour or so.
Rocket

It's do-able but i've got to tell ya- it is tough! I've worked with SMT using a standard iron and you better be really good with wick to get it off and have damn good eyes and rock-steady hands to get it in.

And yeah- I know: That's what SHE said ba da BING...

The manufacturers ought to use white LEDs and offer colored end-caps DUH!

The sidewalk hint is spot-on. Works great.

I had a 401 with green LED and it was really dim. I also have worked with some green LEDs in non e-cig applications and they were dim also, now that I think about it. Hmmmm.... What's up with the dim green LEDs?

-Generic

Rocketman · 09-20-2009, 09:51 PM

White LEDs are a little inefficient. Red/Orange are usually the most efficient using the least amount of energy for the same light output. The blue ones look brighter but use up a little more energy doing it. Green looks dim because they use really crappy green LEDs

. Being closer to the human visual peak they should appear brighter.

White LEDs: There are some hi-tech 3 color (using the 3 primary colors like we learned in school) 3 chip LEDs. Ain't in e-cigs yet.

The typical white LED uses a blue chip coated with a yellow phospor than emits a "sort-of" broadband yellow to red emission. THe blue leaks through and the yellow-red combine to make a sort-of harse "White", sort of. Soft white uses a broader multicoated phospor, but is also inefficient. Here is the spectral output of the typical "White LED" and the color spectrum from a school book

Notice that there ain't a lot of green in the output of a white LED.

The Rocket, on a roll here

Generic · 09-22-2009, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Rocketman

White LEDs are a little inefficient. Red/Orange are usually the most efficient using the least amount of energy for the same light output. The blue ones look brighter but use up a little more energy doing it. Green looks dim because they use really crappy green LEDs

. Being closer to the human visual peak they should appear brighter.

White LEDs: There are some hi-tech 3 color (using the 3 primary colors like we learned in school) 3 chip LEDs. Ain't in e-cigs yet.

The typical white LED uses a blue chip coated with a yellow phospor than emits a "sort-of" broadband yellow to red emission. THe blue leaks through and the yellow-red combine to make a sort-of harse "White", sort of. Soft white uses a broader multicoated phospor, but is also inefficient. Here is the spectral output of the typical "White LED" and the color spectrum from a school book

Notice that there ain't a lot of green in the output of a white LED.

The Rocket, on a roll here

You're unstoppable Rocket. Scary, cuz people say the same about me too....

The color-changers are VERY cool indeed. They give 7 colors and are available in slow fade, fast fade, strobe, or combo strobe/fade. At this point they are only available in the standard 5mm LED leaded package.

I own a retail/service store in a very specialized industry. My good customers pay me $19.95 to install a color-changing LED into their equipment. People LOVE shiny blinky color-y things :-) Those little buggers have bought me many a meal, that's for sure.

Thinking back I DO remember having some really nice green LEDS and I also remember having some really bad ones. Kinda looked like Gerber Strained Peas in color. AFTER digestion. *braaaaaap!*.

Well time to go to work. I hope I sell a bunch of color-changing LED installs today woo hoo! Only in America could a guy make a living doing what I do. I LOVE this country!

-Generic

Generic · 09-22-2009, 10:22 AM

You know what? I'm thinking I might be able to whittle a 5mm LED down with my Dremel and manage to tack it into the end of a 510 battery.

Maybe...

We'll see. Off to work i go!

-Generic

Rocketman · 09-22-2009, 12:45 PM

How about one of the little 650nm laser diodes modules. They will fire at a little over 3 volts and will suck the life out of the 510 battery (they draw about 80ma) but it would be radical to have a laser line straight out the end of an ecig. Not practical, just radical.

Close your eyes and imagine this one. Manual battery, Zap, red line for hundreds of yards (at night). Don't vape straight in someone's face though.

R

Generic · 09-22-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rocketman

How about one of the little 650nm laser diodes modules. They will fire at a little over 3 volts and will suck the life out of the 510 battery (they draw about 80ma) but it would be radical to have a laser line straight out the end of an ecig. Not practical, just radical.

Close your eyes and imagine this one. Manual battery, Zap, red line for hundreds of yards (at night). Don't vape straight in someone's face though.

R

Hehg heh...

My 510 with the goofy bushing in the front has a cool glow- i was thinking that as a joke I ought to glue a nylon rod about a foot long on the front and have me a little light saber e-cig. My friends would just roll their eyes as I'm always doing goofy things like that. I scare them sometimes, too, with my wacky inventions...

My Buddy Crazy joe has a green laser that will pop a balloon at about 50 feet. We had some fun with that one- had the counter gal hold a bunch of balloons while we wandered off and popped 'em from two rooms away. And yeah- we set it up so that Joe couldn't fry her retinas even if he screwed up as he most often does. There was wall between she and us with only the balloons in the line of fire.

I went nuts today trying to grind down a 5mm LED and get it into my 510 battery. Ain't gonna happen. Got any use for a small pile of Ground LED Dust<tm> ?

-Generic

Ralph · 09-25-2009, 03:52 PM

I haven't tried it but possibly a 3mm LED would fit. Please don't forget that you need a series resistor to limit the current otherwise your new light will be very bright and short lived! 360 ohms is a good value.

Generic · 09-25-2009, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralph

I haven't tried it but possibly a 3mm LED would fit. Please don't forget that you need a series resistor to limit the current otherwise your new light will be very bright and short lived! 360 ohms is a good value.

Right-o!

If you look inside the tip of an e-cig you will see that the LED is a surface mount (SMT) package on a small circuit board. The resistor is right there next to it. I haven't looked with my jeweler's loupe to try to read the value but you are probably correct in the value: 330ohms - 1k ohms is typical.

Leaded LEDs are also available with an integrated resistor. So far the color-changers are not available in the 3mm package. Bummer. You can be sure that I'll be the first kid on my block when they hit the streets though! I'm thinking a 3mm color-changing LED, my trusty Dremel tool, and I'll be vapin' in psychedelic style oh yeah!

The colors! The colors!

-Generic