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04-17-2009, 10:41 AM
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| Beware...
Pure uncut nicotine can be deadly. Even though you won't be buying Pure nicotine, it is still important to take precautions, fore e-liquid can still be harmful in some situations.
Some tips that I follow:
1. Keep away from children. Even when you vape, you can get oils on your skin. These oils can get on your kids and absorb into your their skin, sometimes making them sick.
2. Wear protective gloves when mixing and/or "cutting" your e-liquid.
3. If you have an animal, do not let them lick your e-liquid. This can make them very sick when in large enough quantities. (especially smaller pets likes small dogs and cats)
4. Keep all of your e-liquid and mixing equipment (if applicable) in a sealed container away from; direct access and potential spill area's.
These safety tips are from my own research and experiences. Some of these tips may not be applicable with every living situation, but is good to know.
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06-07-2009, 10:44 AM
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#3 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| One additional safety thought:
DO NOT OVERHEAT YOUR ATOMIZER.
Try not to puff when the cart goes dry. Wait a minute and more juice may wick to the atomizer keeping it at a safe (for you and the hardware) temperature. If not, change cartridges or add juice. The big advantage to the e-cig is the lack of dangerous chemicals, as compared to burning tobacco, in the vapor. Getting the little heating coil in the atomizer really really hot sort of defeats the advantage. When it starts tasting like a burning plastic mop bucket - STOP. That is not nicotine, cake flavoring, PG or VG you are tasting. Your senses are telling you - "this ain't good", rely on them. The vaporizer can get very hot if there is no heat load to absorb the heat generated. The pot has boiled dry turn off the stove. People that report "loads of vapor" have got it right. Nuff said, vape away.
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07-13-2009, 01:59 AM
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#4 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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Safety needs to be on everyone's mind.
There is a push to get on-line vendors to post Safety Warnings about limiting access to e-liquid, and labeling their products (voluntarily) about the dangers of NICOTINE. Just having a small bottle of e-liquid around the house can be as dangerous as having a loaded gun. Make sure children or pets can not get to your juice. A 15ml bottle of e-juice can kill. Handling the juice (very diluted Nicotine) Isn't that bad, but I said once before "imagine a stupid teen dumping 15ml of your High Cherry flavored juice into a Rock Star". That's enough to kill an adult, 3 little kids, or 14 Pekineses.
Atomizer temperature in the e-cig is safe for vaping e-juice IF OPERATED PROPERLY. If it starts tasting or smelling like a dry pot on the stove - STOP. Keep the atomizer/cartridge wet.
Cleanliness of your digital cigarette and supplies is important to protect your health. Starting digital cigarettes to get rid of those 4000 chemicals only to put filthy, gunky, sticky parts in your mouth probably isn't what you had in mind.
E-liquid "juice" is safe, will make you healthier, weathier, and of course wiser.
I feel smarter already. Are the ingredients used in juice safe. Most "probably" are.
Most are food grade ingredients and even some are used in prescription inhalation products (except the FDC Yellow #5).
Will smoking digital cigarettes make you healthier? Like asking if going on a diet will make you loss weight.
Will you get rich smoking digital cigarettes? No. But you might save a few bucks. Check out all the vendor posts, member recommendations, and watch the ROCKET's 510 Supplier Challenge #2 ROCKETS - 510 SUPPLIER CHALLENGE #2
Just wanted to re-activate this thread. Check out some related posts on these others threads here in the VapeAtron forum: Flavoring E-Liquid??? eJuicing It, DIY Style Preparing for the Pandemic With eCig Vapor?
The Rocket
(and don't let them catch you reading this)
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07-27-2009, 02:17 PM
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#5 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| I won't duplicate it here, but there is a lot of good comments regarding e-juice safety, PG and VG lot traceability, etc. on this VapeAtron thread.
dig through and find the good stuff also. BE READY!!! its coming....
Rocket
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07-27-2009, 05:32 PM
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#6 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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| Nothing new, but I definitely agree with my Rocket buddy.
Store all liquid in a decent sized lockable box or case. ( Always leave room for new acquisitions.) 
Keep plenty of disposable latex gloves handy. ( You never know when you REALLY will need a pair!)
Do all your e-cig playing after the kids, grand kids or any other non adult types are gone or not present. ( It only takes a second for a tragedy to strike!)
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07-28-2009, 12:10 AM
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#7 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| How to make something half as bad in one easy step 
With E-juice purity and traceability being at the top of everyone list now, and our buddies at the FDA finding a cartridge with some DEG a little out of spec, I have an idea to make any "questionable" juice "TWICE AS SAFE".
The DEG the FDA found may have been from a lot of "cheap" PG. "I use a lot of quotes" Cheap PG is stuff that was made with the hope that it would pass analysis for USP, and didn't quite make it. Not stuff that was intentionally made poorly, just stuff that didn't make it. Or, USP stuff that is just a little old. Passed, but the manufacturer has downgraded it because of age. This is much cheaper in bulk (tanker truck size) than prime USP grade PG. Really bad? Probably not.
One question of course is "what if" a really bad batch was accidentally (intentionally would probably be considered an act of terrorism now) was put in PG and distributed as USP grade.
Drag out your bottle of Kosher/USP/Food Grade Vegetable Glycerine and cut your juice in half, or "mix-down". Must be some VG that you trust (more on that in a minute). 1%DEG in solution now becomes 0.5%. Half as bad, right? Start with higher NIC stuff which you are buying in the first place for long term storage and cut it with know good VG. And if someone comes up with vaping PG based juice being a problem, yours will only be 50/50 PG/VG. Cool?
Now how do you come up with "known good VG"?
If a batch of VG, or even a partial batch (like 1000 gallons or so) is found to be the cause of an adverse reaction to the public, then there is a good chance it will be detected and reported and the FDA, remember they are our buddies, will issue a "RECALL". Did you check your lot numbers when the Peanut Butter was recalled? So---. Buy a couple of pints of VG. Store it away for a while until you think it has been distributed and consumed by the other guinea pigs out there and no body got sick. Then start using it to make your PG based "Cheap Juice" TWICE AS SAFE.
Of course always make sure you purchase liquids in original, sealed containers.
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07-28-2009, 08:36 AM
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#8 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| How about a label contest, no prize. Submit the best example of a e-juice warning label you have ACTUALLY RECEIVED. Not something you photo-shopped or made up, actually received.
The Rocket
Gee, if no one has a "good example" of a warning label what does that tell you? I bought a big lot of unflavored once (seller posts here so he will see this) and he put in a plastic pencil box, one like you would pay a couple bucks for, for free. That would have been a good place to put a label.
Oh and every time I open the freezer the labels on the 48 some of us got shine back at me. Probably the closest to a good one I've seen.
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07-29-2009, 02:18 AM
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#9 | | Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Vancouver, WA
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| LOL ... but they all suck Rocketman. How do you choose the best example from a group of failures?
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07-29-2009, 12:20 PM
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#10 | | Lets see the Test Results Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal
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Originally Posted by Rocketman  Oh and every time I open the freezer the labels on the 48 some of us got shine back at me. Probably the closest to a good one I've seen. | Couldn't agree more Rocket - Arrrrr Matey! Feel like I should put on a hazmat suit everytime I reach for it... | |
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08-13-2009, 09:34 AM
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#11 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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| Rocket is back to harp some more on e-juice safety.
The FDA has created a "run" on e-juice. By not questioning the traceability of the contents of our juice, just searching for the "best price" we may be creating an outlet for all the leftovers that juice manufacturers had trouble getting rid of. I'm not talking about crappy tasting juice, but juice that has the potential for damaging your health over the long term. Be cautious of the "too good to be true" deals. Saving a couple of dollars may not be the most important aspect of building a stash of e-juice. I'll summarized a few of my concerns, maybe you will come up with others.
1) Remember this stuff is poisonous. Yea you could probably eat a 901 cartridge full of 48mg/ml and not get sick, but that 30ml bottle of 48 can be DEADLY. Got kids, pets? Look at your stash and try to guesstimate how many people that could kill. For the long term, vape contaminated juice for a couple of months and you may need to line up all your genetically similar relatives as potential kidney donors. Watch out for false claims, like PG being a water based chemical. It ain't, look it up. And Glycerin is glycerin, it ain't. There's synthetic, and natural, and even vegetable natural (no pig fat), and even more than one way of processing vegetable based glycerin. These ingredients are chemically similar to some ugly nasty chemicals. Know that you have quality stuff.
2) Cleanliness is often overlooked with e-cigs, components, and juice. How many people have handled that bottle by the time you put it in the fridge? Did you disinfect it first? And what if you do your own flavoring and mixing? How much attention to cleanliness did you pay to your process?
3) Long term storage of e-juice is still up in the air. Simple unflavored mixtures may be more stable for building a long term stash. Elevated temperature and exposure to UV radiation will degrade most chemical mixtures. One day out in a hot car during the summer could permanently alter e-juice. Most suppliers recommend cool, dry and dark with 40F in the home refrigerator being acceptable for several months. The home freezer at about 0F may seem really really cold, but to PG and VG it's not. There are not too many reactions that are sped up by chilling liquid mixtures and the ingredients in unflavored e-juice, if stored with a balanced pH, should be stable much longer than burgers and ice cream you store in the freezer. Chilling and thawing may cause the ingredients to separate.
Always completely thaw and thoroughly remix bottles before dispensing any juice.
4) Pay attention to your senses. If a bottle of juice makes you sick to your stomach, gives you the shakes, calls out to you in your sleep, it might not be any good. Over vaping can cause similar symptoms, take a break. But if the little voices come back listen to them.
Feel free to add your own concerns, issues, and fixes. Shop for bargains, shop for safe bargains.
The Rocket
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08-14-2009, 02:12 AM
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#12 | | I Want YOU!... To Vape! Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sunny Florida! U.S.A.
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| I see a lot of posts about 48mg or even 72mg perhaps someone should or may write a bit more on... Nicotine Poisoning & Symptoms
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10-18-2010, 04:56 PM
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#13 | | Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: NYC
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| Nicotine is dangerous if not properly handled. Please take precautions and see: Nicotine Warning! | |
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10-18-2010, 05:10 PM
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#14 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by Stehle |
Does that mean I should NOT be vaping 60mG straight, and why are my legs numb...?
__________________ Do you mind if I STEAM?!
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10-18-2010, 09:12 PM
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#15 | | spam again bacon ass Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Not China
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Originally Posted by Steampunk Does that mean I should NOT be vaping 60mG straight, and why are my legs numb...? | No Steam,
It's all cool until you cant use you hands anymore. Then you stop vaping.
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12-17-2010, 04:21 PM
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#16 | | Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Prince George,B.C. Canada
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| Again, getting great info, I think all new vapers should read this thread and be informed.Can not say enough good about this site,Thanks again Vapeatron | |
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09-05-2011, 10:41 PM
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#17 | | vapocologist Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: NYC
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| Case in point...
BillP the newb gets into a cleaning/refilling mood, and starts to think it's getting hot in here. Sweating. Dizzy. Feeling like I'm gonna hurl. End up lying down on the floor with a cold rag on my head for half an hour.
Nico overdosing is so much fun!
We concentrate on inhalation, and disregard skin absorption - at our peril.
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09-05-2011, 10:52 PM
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#18 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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| What were you cleaning?
__________________ Do you mind if I STEAM?!
"well, you see Steam, we never had a rule about it because we didn't think anybody would ever DO it!" "Look at all that vapor!" "Yes, Judy, it certainly is steaming!" I knew that ahole wasn't from jersey... | |
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09-05-2011, 11:07 PM
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#19 | | Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: In Your Dreams
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Originally Posted by BillP Case in point...
BillP the newb gets into a cleaning/refilling mood, and starts to think it's getting hot in here. Sweating. Dizzy. Feeling like I'm gonna hurl. End up lying down on the floor with a cold rag on my head for half an hour.
Nico overdosing is so much fun!
We concentrate on inhalation, and disregard skin absorption - at our peril.
Wear gloves. | I hope you weren't alone!!!! Whatever you were doing, PLEASE stop! It ain't that serious. | |
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09-06-2011, 12:21 AM
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#20 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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| Funny you should mention that. I had a HUMONGOUS fly buzzing around here, and it flew in front of me, I swatted it, it landed on a nic bottle, crawled around it for a couple minutes, flew off and I havent seen it since...
__________________ Do you mind if I STEAM?!
"well, you see Steam, we never had a rule about it because we didn't think anybody would ever DO it!" "Look at all that vapor!" "Yes, Judy, it certainly is steaming!" I knew that ahole wasn't from jersey... | |
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09-06-2011, 12:52 AM
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#21 | | ☆amante del drago☆ Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Other side of sanity
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Originally Posted by Steampunk Funny you should mention that. I had a HUMONGOUS fly buzzing around here, and it flew in front of me, I swatted it, it landed on a nic bottle, crawled around it for a couple minutes, flew off and I havent seen it since... | More buzzing bugs..... I think you need to invest in a few cans for RAID for those things.
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09-06-2011, 01:01 AM
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#22 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by RY4 More buzzing bugs..... I think you need to invest in a few cans for RAID for those things. | I haven't set off any "bombs" for a couple year. When I do I have no problems.
__________________ Do you mind if I STEAM?!
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09-06-2011, 01:05 AM
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#23 | | ☆amante del drago☆ Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Other side of sanity
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Originally Posted by Steampunk I haven't set off any "bombs" for a couple year. When I do I have no problems. | Well looks like time for another bomb then..... and maybe blow something up here or there....
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09-06-2011, 01:07 AM
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#24 | | Darth Vaper Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Leftern Mass
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Originally Posted by RY4 Well looks like time for another bomb then..... and maybe blow something up here or there.... | Mom has to leave for the day. I can only do it when she's out of the house, and even then she doesn't like it.
I don't like spiders...
__________________ Do you mind if I STEAM?!
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09-06-2011, 01:08 AM
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#25 | | TO SERVE AND PROTECT :) Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Louisiana
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Originally Posted by Steampunk I don't like spiders... | The spiders are hitting the server, maybe a tag list "bomb" would help
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